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    Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
    I dont think you're grasping the fundamentals of the target man in a 4231 system.
    There is more than one way to play the system.
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      Originally posted by Trippendicular View Post
      4-2-3-1 worked for us in a big way due to Torres (as well as Alonso, Gerrard, et al). If you're playing with one up front you need someone who's got it all, and especially someone who's going to take their chances


      He was fantastic. Brilliant. Torres

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        Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
        There is more than one way to play the system.
        Perhaps but having the one striker vacating the striker's position on a regular basis, isnt one of them

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          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
          Perhaps but having the one striker vacating the striker's position on a regular basis, isnt one of them
          I personally don't think his movement would cause us an issue in that system.
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            It causes us issues when we play TWO strikers, let alone just him on his own

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              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
              It causes us issues when we play TWO strikers, let alone just him on his own
              I don't think that is a Suarez issue, more the set up of the team and our wide players.
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                It's not a Suarez issue in the sense that he's doing anything wrong - it's an issue which points to exactly why he cannot play as a lone striker/target man.

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                  Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                  It's not a Suarez issue in the sense that he's doing anything wrong - it's an issue which points to exactly why he cannot play as a lone striker/target man.
                  I disagree and I'll leave it at that.
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                    As much criticism as he has received in the past we really missed Lucas yesterday and Norwich cut through our midfield too easily

                    Even more pissed off with yesterday's result after Utd got hammered we could of been 3 points behind them instead of 5
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                      Adam played well yesterday. Gerard playe well too but within himself due to not being fully fit. But together as a two man midfield we looked too weak. Lucas was a big loss yesterday.

                      Suarez was a big dissapointment. His all-round game is superb but the chances he missed are ones I'd expect a player with his record to easily put away. I'd argue that Andy Carroll should have playe as I'd think he would have put them away.

                      Disappointing game result but when it clicks we will end up putting one team to the sword with a big big win. And when that happens I reckon we'll kick on for the remainder of the season.
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                        Can't believe people are having a pop at Carroll when he got 10 minutes yesterday.

                        10 minutes.
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                          He did miss an absolute sitter but yeah I agree.

                          And giving him just 10 minutes to make an impression when looking for a winner seemed strange to me.
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                            To be fair to Carroll, look at that chance again - the cross landed a tiny bit behind him so he had to angle himself to get a header anywhere near goal. In the circumstances, he was unlucky.

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                              I have reflected on last night (and not read any of this thread )and have come to the conclusion they I don't really think we are doing a lot wrong, apart from the finishing.

                              We are comprehensively outplaying most teams and creating hatfuls of chances. The finishing touch is missing however. A bit more ruthlessness and we would be looking at 2nd place right now.
                              Oh I don't know.

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                                That's just it though Dom, we didnt comprehensively outplay them for much of it - they were the better side for more than half the game, no pressing and they had so much time on the ball. Granted we had lots of chances/close calls but the problem isnt that we drew, it's that Norwich deserved their point, which isnt acceptable i dont think.

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