Kenny isn't what we need

[truefan999]

Arn, Kenny will be here for many years to come. FSG, the players, the majority of fans are not stupid enough to think otherwise. Get over it and get behind the team. We are in the LC 1/4s, 3 points of 4th and you are calling for Kenny to be sacked

This Is Liverpool Football Club, not Newcastle Utd.

Yes but the League Cup is a joke.

We should be 2nd or 3rd with the easy games we have had. And yet we are not because of the dross we signed and the standard of our play.

The only times we have played anyone of substance we have come unstuck. Spurs ripped up to shreds. We could not beat a substandard and defensive Man Ure line up, and we only just scabbed a win against Arsenal,

You are dreaming if you think this side will get 5th let alone 4th

[BringbackBiscan]

Yes but the League Cup is a joke.

We should be 2nd or 3rd with the easy games we have had. And yet we are not because of the dross we signed and the standard of our play.

The only times we have played anyone of substance we have come unstuck. Spurs ripped up to shreds. We could not beat a substandard and defensive Man Ure line up, and we only just scabbed a win against Arsenal,

You are dreaming if you think this side will get 5th let alone 4th

Calm down. Young, Jones & De Gay aren't that bad.

[_92]

Yes but the League Cup is a joke.

We should be 2nd or 3rd with the easy games we have had. And yet we are not because of the dross we signed and the standard of our play.

The only times we have played anyone of substance we have come unstuck. Spurs ripped up to shreds. We could not beat a substandard and defensive Man Ure line up, and we only just scabbed a win against Arsenal,

You are dreaming if you think this side will get 5th let alone 4th

Not that I agree, but what is your point? Sack Kenny? I'm not going through each fixture, but we were 1-0 down to Spurs with 10 men. They scored the rest when we had 9 men. **** happens, get over it.

In other games our problem clearly is not taking our chances at important times in games. We'll get it right. Sacking the gaffer ain't going to help now is it ffs

[Craig_H]

This is one of the most pointless and boring threads i've ever seen on any forum.

[_92]

Should've been closed as soon as it was posted lol, its a joke thread.

[Nicey]

Yep Jesus who would have thought it ... well me ... nothing surprises me anymore with people in general .. the older you get .. the more the disappoint you

[RichC]

Yes but the League Cup is a joke.

We should be 2nd or 3rd with the easy games we have had. And yet we are not because of the dross we signed and the standard of our play.

The only times we have played anyone of substance we have come unstuck. Spurs ripped up to shreds. We could not beat a substandard and defensive Man Ure line up, and we only just scabbed a win against Arsenal,

You are dreaming if you think this side will get 5th let alone 4th

I'm interested to see who you'd have in as manager in place of Kenny?

And the Spurs game we were down to 10 men inside 30 minutes and played almost half an hour with 9 men, what kind of result would you expect to see.

[badpiggy]

Yeah and it is also still just raw data, it has very limited value, hypothetically speaking we could have had a load of shots from the half way line and it would have still shown up in a similar fashion. And don't patronise me.

[Lee]

[Neil Young]

Do you think Ferguson would have been given six years if it meant that every year he missed out on winning the title meant that we would have got a lot of money and by that way widened the gap even more?

You will have to remember that when that happened then the English clubs was banned from Europe and before the CL.

That is IMO a key point.

Managers isn't given enough time because of all the money involved. Managers that do fantastic results by promoting a club to the PL could be sacked after half a season if they are close to the bottom of the league.

Why? Money.

Wow, talk about missing the point.

1. Ferguson took six years to win a title. Yet you dismiss Dalglish after about as many months. What on earth does money have to do with his ability?

2. Rafa was given six years to win the title and he failed. I don't hold him primarily responsible for that but the pertinent fact he was given six years.

3. Of course if Dalglish finishes outside the top four one season after another he's not going to get six years but that will be because there won't be signs of progress.

[Neil Young]

I understand what you're saying about Ferguson and what Dalglish achieved 25 years ago but as I said earlier football and it's supporters have changed so massively over the last 20 years that those examples are barely relevant in the modern era.
You believe that Dalglish will still be manager for a long time whether we finish in the top 4 or not, I disagree. The booing after the Swansea game showed that there is the potential for open dissent, now whether that booing was directed at Dalglish or some of our players I honestly don't know. But what it demonstrated is that while our manager is a club legend many of our fans will not give him special treatment because of his reputation.
The seeds of doubt have been planted in a considerable number of fans minds beacuse the manager's persistent use of an old fashioned formation in 442 and the continued selection of Adam, Henderson, Downing and Carroll regardless of their form at the expense of quality players like Maxi, Spearing and Bellamy. If we lose than 1 of the next 3 games and Dalglish continues with the formation and players that I mentioned then more and more fans will begin to have doubts.
Oh and John Henry himself said that anything other than CL qualification this season would be ''disappointing'' - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...n-W-Henry.html

I didn't say Dalglish will be given a long time irrespective of whether we make the top 4. i said it's not a given he will be sacked if he didn't make top 4. I also said it's not certain he'd be kept on if we did (although I'd be willing to bet on it).

I said you can't judge his abilities are four and half months of the season, which is what you wanted to do.

I take your point about fans having doubts and putting pressure on the board but to be honest I think the problem in that case is the fans, not Dalglish.

As I said when I complained recently at my local leisure centre, the customer is alway right. Alway.

But then I was a customer of the leisure centre. Not a fan.

[Neil Young]

He shouldn't get any special treatment because he is the king. That is just not on. He should be judged in the same way as everyone else legend or no legend.

We can't afford to give him special treatment. The club is much much more important than him.

If the results is good enough then he stays. If the results isn't good enough then we must replace him.

If another manager had started this season in the same way then many more of us would question him. Now many don't do it just because he is the king.

What a load of ****e. It's absolute nonsense.

But yes, he should have more latitude than other managers. He's Kenny Dalglish FFS. He won the Double. He won the league three times with us. So it was a long time ago but that still gives him a better record than Rafa. I think Rafa should have had another season at least. But you're writing off Dalglish after a few months. It's rank hypocrisy.

With respect, i think that is bollocks. We're 3 points off 4th place for ****'s sake.

Well said. Apart from the "with respect' bit.

If it had been Rafa, the Arsenal result would've been 'amazing', because it's Kenny, they are now 'very weak'. Get a fecking grip.

Under Rafa we dropped home points against Fulham, Stoke, West Ham, Hull City....where was your criticism then? Your agenda is so transparent.

And whatever you make of the individual games, "If another manager had started this season in the same way" then no, not many people would be questioning him. It's not about it being Kenny, it's about being 3 points off 4th place and whoppers like you throwing in the towel and calling for his head.

Support the ****ing team and stop calling for the manager's head 11 games into the ****ing season.

Arn, go stand on the Kop and call for Kenny's head. I'd like to see what happens.

What a **** article. This is the kind of special protection only because he is the king that is just not on.

He should be treated in the same way as everyone else.

There is only one king yes but he isn't guaranteed success like the article says. He isn't the best manager around like the article says. Another manager could have got better results, who know?

More money spent means quicker results, like in the City case. It would be a difference if the manager got £12m net a season like Rafa.

Rafa got almost the same amount of money to spend once and because of that was expected to make much better results.

The same applies to Kenny. He got a lot of money to spend and is because of that expected to make good results. That means that he must at least be close to fourth place. If we for example finish 10 points off fourth then we haven't made any progress even if we spent a lot of money. No progress isn't ok considering the amount of money he spent.

If we don't make any progress then he must be questioned big time. We can't say it is ok because he is the king. It wouldn't be ok if another manager made the same results.

As I said, a **** article. Like we are never even allowed to question the king because he is the king.

As I already mentioned. His last two jobs before this one ended with the sack. We can't just say that that didn't happen. Why was he sacked? The answer both times is because the results wasn't good enough. That happened you know, it is not something I imagined up. That means that you must question even more if Kenny is the right man for us, is he really good enough?

Anyone can question him. What you can't do is write him off because his record in the Kiruna under-9s league isn't as good as yours.

Tell me more about the future please, sounds like you have a crystal ball.

insert badpiggy's irony pic

[Lecter]

What a load of ****e. It's absolute nonsense.

But yes, he should have more latitude than other managers. He's Kenny Dalglish FFS. He won the Double. He won the league three times with us. So it was a long time ago but that still gives him a better record than Rafa. I think Rafa should have had another season at least. But you're writing off Dalglish after a few months. It's rank hypocrisy.


Anyone can question him. What you can't do is write him off because his record in the Kiruna under-9s league isn't as good as yours.

[wiw]