Liverpool v Arsenal Post-Match Thread

[Exiled_red]

maybe, don't know, but chelsea's implosion (and arsenal's to some degree) won't be repeated next year. This has been the easiest fourth place race for years and we are 10 points off the very average pace.

If we could score penalties it would be 5 points, if we win our game in hand it would be 2. Despite our other problems (missing chances hitting the woodwork etc) if we could have just done that then it would have made a huge difference. This is how narrow the margins are.

[Craig_H]

right. I thought you said he plays because Gerrard and Lucas are out.

I think he's played so often because Lucas and Gerrard have hardly ever both been available, yes. If both are available and actually fully fit, i dont think Adam would start anywhere near as often.

[Craig_H]

If we could score penalties it would be 5 points, if we win our game in hand it would be 2. Despite our other problems (missing chances hitting the woodwork etc) if we could have just done that then it would have made a huge difference. This is how narrow the margins are.

[Kenneth]

If we could score penalties it would be 5 points, if we win our game in hand it would be 2. Despite our other problems (missing chances hitting the woodwork etc) if we could have just done that then it would have made a huge difference. This is how narrow the margins are.

If has been the most used word this season unfortunately.

[Mostar]

depends what level, If we had RVP.... I think we would have got CL this year.

Probably true as our trio of strikers found the net 10 times this season vs 25 of RVP.

[JHP]

Some interesting analysis. If we could marginally improve the rate we covert chances into goals we'd be doing very well.


Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:31
CCC are 1. Pens 2. A one-on-one 3. Free header close to goal 4. Shot at very close range 5. Shot with clear line of sight to keeper

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:34
So in a sport that has a very low level of scoring, any advantage that you can gain in CCC conversion is important

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:40
#LFC Clear Cut Chances Tracker: 26 games: 17/62 (27%) . Opposition: 14/29 (48%). PL average 38%. Chart: yfrog.com/nzrzcfp

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:45
As of 4th Feb: Mins per CCC created: City 32, United 37, Arsenal 37, Spurs, 38, #LFC 40, Cheslea 47, Blackburn 49 (Bolton 114 & last)

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:50
As of 4th Feb: Clinicality%: Villa 49, Wolves 47, Newc 45, Chelsea 44, City 43, United 42, AVERAGE 38, Arse 34, Spurs 33, #LFC 29, S'land 22

[mick the click]

And Yet again? The haste to bury us after a bad result shows up Most of our fanbase to be an utter disgrace & Fully deserving of the 'arrogant' tag I applied to us when discussing just Why we should enjoy our Cup win last week. Not learned much in that time have we? We've still won more this season than the less fortunate clubs in this country (yes You Everton & Newcastle well......Shakes head) will have done in the past decade

Just for the record James P? Kuyt scored a goal from a not dissimilar position against the Mancs in the FA Cup to knock them out only a month or so back - The Same Kuyt who was flagged offside only Moments before Van Persie's winning goal today from a position probably Less offside than Kuyt's fellow Dutchman later scored from.

There is one thing as certain others have said here? There is one thing & one Alone missing from our squad other than maybe backup for Lucas who was sorely missed today That is? Of course an ultra clincal finisher (Huntelaar? Soldado? Jovetic?) - People on here & other forums go on about we don't create enough chances - Horse****e - It was even said in this thread we Only created 3 chances for our main strikers - And? That was Still 1 more than Van Persie got & Took & all season? We've created enough to Bury any team in the league & hardly ever took those chances. Yes Goalscoring midfielders will help but I think the sheer crass stupidity of selling Torres last year & buying one with Potential to replace him at a big club rather than a straight out goalscorer has A) Shown Commolli who pushed for it to be Very stupid & B)? Inhibited Dalglish's selections this season as one of our Most reliable goalscorers in the current squad - Rodriguez? For whatever reason (And I suspect it has a Lot to do with That ****ing price tag of Carroll's - Can't get near the starting 11) as well obviously eventually? C) Badly damaging our goal output.

It's nothing a swallowing of pride & moving on or at least sidelining until he learns his trade of Carroll won't solve but then that? Would require both Comolli & The owners to back down & admit last years splurge was Wrong or ended up having the wrong results Something tells me? That may take a while as they? May not be all that keen
to swallow their pride & make the changes necessary - We shall see............

NB I hope Commolli's quote about "no big changes in the summer"? Was meant to be taken as we'll be focusing a Lot on a Few players to solve our glaring deficincies in the team rather than what it sounded suspicously like which was a Houllier-esque attempt to dampen down expectations, retard Any Transfer focused team development or expetation of such & generally defend such inactivity as January's just gone in advance. If it was the latter given the joke that is our home form this season? There should be fcuking murder over what Commolli said - Indeed there probably Will be somewhere down the line if that was the case & rightly so.......

...steady on the CAPS key...makes a difficult rant read.

There was no crass selling of Torres - he wanted to go. Feck him.

We are a work in progress...

[James P]

If has been the most used word this season unfortunately.

If you're mattshark, the most used word is probably "****".

[Mattshark]

Some interesting analysis. If we could marginally improve the rate we covert chances into goals we'd be doing very well.


Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:31
CCC are 1. Pens 2. A one-on-one 3. Free header close to goal 4. Shot at very close range 5. Shot with clear line of sight to keeper

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:34
So in a sport that has a very low level of scoring, any advantage that you can gain in CCC conversion is important

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:40
#LFC Clear Cut Chances Tracker: 26 games: 17/62 (27%) . Opposition: 14/29 (48%). PL average 38%. Chart: yfrog.com/nzrzcfp

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:45
As of 4th Feb: Mins per CCC created: City 32, United 37, Arsenal 37, Spurs, 38, #LFC 40, Cheslea 47, Blackburn 49 (Bolton 114 & last)

Dan Kennett (@DanKennett)
03/03/2012 20:50
As of 4th Feb: Clinicality%: Villa 49, Wolves 47, Newc 45, Chelsea 44, City 43, United 42, AVERAGE 38, Arse 34, Spurs 33, #LFC 29, S'land 22

But is a 25 yard shot with a clear line to the keeper really that good a chance? Do free headers count if the cross is a bit too high as well? Does very close to goal account for angle or real difficulty of chance?

[Craig_H]

Christ Matt, you really will clutch at any straw possible in order to be gloomy about everything

We simply MUST be ****, eh? Cant be ANY sense of bad luck about it...

[Fredo]

I think you're over analysing things Matt. It's a fact that we're controlling most games and that we're missing a load of chances (hit the woodwork 21 times this season) and our conversion rate is poor. It's not rocket science really.

[Mattshark]

Christ Matt, you really will clutch at any straw possible in order to be gloomy about everything

We simply MUST be ****, eh? Cant be ANY sense of bad luck about it...

Well whether you view it from my opinion or the view that we are terrible at finishing, in the final third, we sadly, clearly are.

[Craig_H]

I think you're over analysing things Matt. It's a fact that we're controlling most games and that we're missing a load of chances (hit the woodwork 21 times this season) and our conversion rate is poor. It's not rocket science really.

Matt needs to analyse it in such a way that it turns out to just be Kenny's fault and his mistakes.

[Mattshark]

I think you're over analysing things Matt. It's a fact that we're controlling most games and that we're missing a load of chances (hit the woodwork 21 times this season) and our conversion rate is poor. It's not rocket science really.

Nope, that is called over simplifying.

[Craig_H]

Well whether you view it from my opinion or the view that we are terrible at finishing, in the final third, we sadly, clearly are.

In terms of finishing, yes. I dont think we're as bad as you make out creatively speaking because i see with my own eyes that in most games, we have created enough to win games if someone had just been a bit clinical.