Sunderland - Liverpool Post-Match

[yamiedo]

Isn't it time we tried Sterling, Suso, Coady even Adam Morgan? Surely can do no worse than the team we had out today. I'd put Sterling on in the next game at least he would look like he wants to play for our club instead of the likes of Adam and Downing.

[yamiedo]

**** it, put em all on! 4th is gone, we are in the europa league so lets just give Adam, Downing, Henderson some warning signs that they are losing their place and put the young guys on instead of them.

[cream]

Didn't bother even listening to that game as I knew what the outcome would be.

I'm not going to call for Dalglish's head because he deserves more time and more respect but from people's tweets I gather it was pretty poor.

Nice one LFC.

Yup, he should be given time to rectify his mistakes.

[brightred]

I can't believe we paid that money for Henderson. Will never be good enough.

As for Adam. He's even lost the ability to put in a decent corner.

Bring back Rafa!

[FrankB34]

Yup, he should be given time to rectify his mistakes.

The frightening thing is i don't believe he's aware of his mistakes. He believes in these players he's bough for fortunes. Why else would Maxi be benched every week. A bigger goal threat than Downing and Kuyt.

His post match comments today were very worrying, going on about luck and misfortune. A bit of brilliance was never going to win the game he stated. FFS you spent over 100M where's the quality and craft. He should step aside and do the honorable thing.

[~LFCHistory~]

The frightening thing is i don't believe he's aware of his mistakes. He believes in these players he's bough for fortunes. Why else would Maxi be benched every week. A bigger goal threat than Downing and Kuyt.

His post match comments today were very worrying, going on about luck and misfortune. A bit of brilliance was never going to win the game he stated. FFS you spent over 100M where's the quality and craft. He should step aside and do the honorable thing.

The rest of the world can see that Adam, Henderson and Downing aren't good enough, surely Dalglish can see this too. One possibility is that he's worried that if he permanently drops those players FSG will start asking dificult questions about the 78 million quid spent on them and Carroll and so he continues starting them regardless of form.

[Zapater]

After that, I've been contemplating for a while to think of something to say, but all I can hear can think is how much I'm hating this season.

[Craig_H]

The biggest letdown of today wasnt that we lost. It's the LIST of other things that just arent right.

First off, team selection. You might say we've got injuries and there isnt much choice, but to field a central midfield 3 of Spearing, Henderson and Adam is criminal. There's no goal threat, no real guile, no tempo and no creativity. It's just three journeymen who dont happen to be old.

Second thing - no passion. Disgracefully, the players just dont want it. Kenny's no master tactician, but i thought he was a motivator, yet there's no motivation there. There's no urgency, no fight, no tempo. They look like it's a chore to be out there, like they cant be ****ed. That's never going to be acceptable. If Kenny cant provide the one thing that i considered to be his main strength, then there is a problem.

Number three - subs. You can say Bellamy wasnt playing well, but in our entire squad, we have 3 players you could call a proven & consistent goal threat. Captain fantastic was on the bench, Suarez was left to do it all on his own and Bellamy's the third. So Kenny takes him off and leaves us with just Suarez. I say just Suarez, because even when Gerrard came on, he played that infuriating deeper role where he cant inflluence things.

Next up - positioning of players. Dirk Kuyt's main strength is his workrate and then, his ability to pop up with a goal. He does not have pace. He does not beat men. He is not creative. So what do you do with him? Put him upfront where his main strengths are most useful. Where do we not need him? Yep, on the wing. And left wing, more bizarrely. Especially when Downing comes on and gets put on the right while Dirk keeps toiling on the left, predictably cutting in onto his right foot EVERY time he looked to cross. Baffling.

After that, we have another main problem. Can anyone tell me what our style of play is? What our method of football is? Because i cant for one minute work it out. We dont have one. Everything we do is random. There is no plan. No tactical process, no nothing. We dont attack with any purpose - it's just random, off the bat, spontaneous. And predictable. And ****. Low percentage football, no game intelligence, no clever movement and players who havent got a clue what each other are going to do. What do they actually DO on the training ground? Because the outcome is ****. We were never going to score today, it was so inept.

Finally, Kenny's post match comments. No Kenny, we didnt lose because of luck. We lost because we are clueless. Yes their goal was a bit lucky, but they actually created something. They looked like they had some kind of plan. We didnt. It might be debatable if Kenny is the right man for us or not, but if he thinks that was acceptable today, then i dont think he's the right man. The first step to solving a problem is to recognise it - if you think there isnt one, then you wont solve it.

If Kenny doesnt think today was a major problem, then he's not going to solve it. No idea where we go from here.

[Lee]

That must've been a real ****e drive back for you Craig.

[Craig_H]

The only plus point was that i wasnt doing the driving for a change.

[cream]

Is the lack of motivation because the players don't believe there is anything to play for in the league?

[Craig_H]

That might be part of it. I just dont think we have enough players with a winning mentality. Too many of them are too quick to stop giving a **** at the first sign of trouble. Not enough character, not enough mental strength and not enough winners. The amount of players we have who want to step upto the plate and take responsibility when things arent going well are few and far between.

[red g]

The biggest letdown of today wasnt that we lost. It's the LIST of other things that just arent right.

First off, team selection. You might say we've got injuries and there isnt much choice, but to field a central midfield 3 of Spearing, Henderson and Adam is criminal. There's no goal threat, no real guile, no tempo and no creativity. It's just three journeymen who dont happen to be old.

Second thing - no passion. Disgracefully, the players just dont want it. Kenny's no master tactician, but i thought he was a motivator, yet there's no motivation there. There's no urgency, no fight, no tempo. They look like it's a chore to be out there, like they cant be ****ed. That's never going to be acceptable. If Kenny cant provide the one thing that i considered to be his main strength, then there is a problem.

Number three - subs. You can say Bellamy wasnt playing well, but in our entire squad, we have 3 players you could call a proven & consistent goal threat. Captain fantastic was on the bench, Suarez was left to do it all on his own and Bellamy's the third. So Kenny takes him off and leaves us with just Suarez. I say just Suarez, because even when Gerrard came on, he played that infuriating deeper role where he cant inflluence things.

Next up - positioning of players. Dirk Kuyt's main strength is his workrate and then, his ability to pop up with a goal. He does not have pace. He does not beat men. He is not creative. So what do you do with him? Put him upfront where his main strengths are most useful. Where do we not need him? Yep, on the wing. And left wing, more bizarrely. Especially when Downing comes on and gets put on the right while Dirk keeps toiling on the left, predictably cutting in onto his right foot EVERY time he looked to cross. Baffling.

After that, we have another main problem. Can anyone tell me what our style of play is? What our method of football is? Because i cant for one minute work it out. We dont have one. Everything we do is random. There is no plan. No tactical process, no nothing. We dont attack with any purpose - it's just random, off the bat, spontaneous. And predictable. And ****. Low percentage football, no game intelligence, no clever movement and players who havent got a clue what each other are going to do. What do they actually DO on the training ground? Because the outcome is ****. We were never going to score today, it was so inept.

Finally, Kenny's post match comments. No Kenny, we didnt lose because of luck. We lost because we are clueless. Yes their goal was a bit lucky, but they actually created something. They looked like they had some kind of plan. We didnt. It might be debatable if Kenny is the right man for us or not, but if he thinks that was acceptable today, then i dont think he's the right man. The first step to solving a problem is to recognise it - if you think there isnt one, then you wont solve it.

If Kenny doesnt think today was a major problem, then he's not going to solve it. No idea where we go from here.

sad but true. And those that question Kenny,....My mate nearly get chinned today for daring to suggest that Kenny didn't know what he was doing.

I also thought our supporters are losing the faith rapidly in fact if it wasnt for the 'suarez banter' we were very quiet.

[cream]

That might be part of it. I just dont think we have enough players with a winning mentality. Too many of them are too quick to stop giving a **** at the first sign of trouble. Not enough character, not enough mental strength and not enough winners. The amount of players we have who want to step upto the plate and take responsibility when things arent going well are few and far between.

That is Comolli's department, isn't it his job profile players???

[red g]

Is the lack of motivation because the players don't believe there is anything to play for in the league?

yes but if Kenny cant drum into them what it means to play for us. I question both kenny and the players he bought