Villa Post Match

[Mattshark]

1. He is not an out and out DM. So, you can't expect him to be ****ing Mackelele.

2. It's the team's job to press in packs and whenever he wasn't an out and out DM, his defensive positioning has been more than good. Infact it has been a lot better.

3. His tackling leads to silly fouls like Lucas' used to do. He is still learning the trade of it. Tackling is not the be all and do all of football.

1) Never said he was, he isn't a CM either.

2) So what, he still failed to cover his position.

3) Indeed And no of course it is not the be all and end all, but standing around out of position isn't exactly helpful is it.

[Gibbo]

Again, our play in the final third leaves a lot to be desired. How do you solve a problem like Suarez?

By giving him a finisher to play with.

Suarez wasn't and isn't a 30 goal a season man, and I still don't think he was bought to be one. He was bought to aid Torres, and that is the exact type of player he needs with him up front now.

We are relying on him to lead a line when that is really not his role, look at how successful he is with Uruguay when he has Cavani and Forlan to play with.

[cream]

We must definitely be the worst team in the league at the moment, manager doesn't have a clue unfortunately, he shouldn't be allowed buy any more players.

[Mattshark]

Did I do actually say that? One of the fouls I mentioned was in a cup game not even the league. I was just saying, from the top of my head, that fouls like these, even if they are low in number, tend to stick in your mind for long and that is what gave him the reputation.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Henderson. At least not as much as you are making it out to be.

It is exactly what you implied, which was quite frankly laughable

No, he is fine for a midtable team.

[red g]

thats an opinion... but we are getting destroyed every ****ing week.

im trying to suggest a plausible alternative formation, using the players that we have at our disposal.

if you look at how that would line up you would have wingers that could support the attack as we go forward, and also fall back our side of the half way line to fill in when the other team were in possession. the very idea that wingers might play up the field when we are not in possession should be reserved for teams like barca.

we need to set up so we are more capable of scoring. we will win **** all with most of our players in our half, and the attackers being too isolated up the other end, and surrounded by four defenders and a defensive midfielder.

but we are not.......

[destinydude]

It is exactly what you implied, which was quite frankly laughable

No, he is fine for a midtable team.

1.Thank you for making your mind up with what I 'implied' when I actually did not.

2. We are a mid table team in case you forgot.

[destinydude]

1) Never said he was, he isn't a CM either.

2) So what, he still failed to cover his position.

3) Indeed And no of course it is not the be all and end all, but standing around out of position isn't exactly helpful is it.

2. A DM cannot cover the entire defensive half. You do realise that don't you? When he steps into a zone to cover for another player, he does so with the belief that someone else will cover his area temporarily. Basics of football. You are just nit picking

[baitman]

got to be a hallucinogenic

i wish
maybe some of you guys should have some too. at least it would allow some of you guys to see past your blinkered view of how to play. its no good saying this performance was piss poor. blindingly obvious, is that

it doesnt matter if he substitute hendo for adam for shelvel for spearing, etc. the formation and set up is wrong to get the best out of what we have.
criticise my suggestions if you like, but at least its a change of game plan. i am not suggesting we change one pawn for another, i talking about an attacking formation, with better use of the actual pieces we have at our disposal.

anyway... i just wanted to get it out there to show we are generally to stereotyped in our set up and thinking. dont slag me off until i am the manager

[destinydude]

i wish
maybe some of you guys should have some too. at least it would allow some of you guys to see past your blinkered view of how to play. its no good saying this performance was piss poor. blindingly obvious, is that

anyway... i just wanted to get it out there to show we are generally to stereotyped in our set up and thinking. dont slag me off until i am the manager

Easy, man. I was just trying to say that too many changes suddenly and dragging players tactically out of positions isn't the best way to go practically.

[baitman]

but we are not.......

ahh, i see you've found my stash

[Muddled]

I'm sorry mate but my definition of tactical awareness is knowing your role and have positional awareness on a football pitch. You said yourself that Shelvey went walkabouts and I agree but he wasn't the only one. I think collectively as a team we didn't make good decisions in both an attacking and defensive sense. I honestly think the players are confused as we lack cohesion. I'm seeing nothing from Dalglish that convinces me he can put this right.

I know what you're saying and whilst I think they are interlinked, I treat them as two seperate elements. We were set up with a game plan in mind (tactics), but individuals roamed (position) meaning our tactics became obsolete. If we'd retained our shape and picked up a man, Villa's goalscorer wouldn't have had a free run on to the ball.

Cohesion is a good word though, it's something we definitely lack going forward.

[Muddled]

By giving him a finisher to play with.

Suarez wasn't and isn't a 30 goal a season man, and I still don't think he was bought to be one. He was bought to aid Torres, and that is the exact type of player he needs with him up front now.

We are relying on him to lead a line when that is really not his role, look at how successful he is with Uruguay when he has Cavani and Forlan to play with.

+1.

He drops so deep, he joins our midfield - we need a player higher up and a midfielder who'll take a risk to get beyond him. At the moment, our final third is empty.

[danperkins]

Sorry but 9 points out of the last 33 available is a ****ing disgrace and there is no excuse. It is not an over reaction and we had a chance at 4th while we have been in this run.

You might considersider this acceptable, but I wouldn't and I hope that FSG don't either.

I hate saying this but the more this season goes on the more clear it becomes that Kenny is not the man to take us forward.

absolutely shocking results in 2012, and completely unacceptable from any manager.

[baitman]

By giving him a finisher to play with.

Suarez wasn't and isn't a 30 goal a season man, and I still don't think he was bought to be one. He was bought to aid Torres, and that is the exact type of player he needs with him up front now.

We are relying on him to lead a line when that is really not his role, look at how successful he is with Uruguay when he has Cavani and Forlan to play with.

+1.

He drops so deep, he joins our midfield - we need a player higher up and a midfielder who'll take a risk to get beyond him. At the moment, our final third is empty.

hence my suggestions for a re-jigged formation.

[Muddled]

We must definitely be the worst team in the league at the moment, manager doesn't have a clue unfortunately, he shouldn't be allowed buy any more players.

Form wise maybe, but we're not the worst, clearly.

Swansea, Stoke, Wolves, Bolton, Blackburn must have lost 5/6 games in their last ten?