Comolli Sacked

[Lecter]

The only thing that makes sense of it for me is the following...

DC was meant to be sacked (along with these others) after the Semi Final. Kenny was not going to be sacked/moved upstairs until the end of the season.

Press got wind of it and it was about to be leaked. We have to announce that DC has been sacked which left us with a problem re: Kenny. Hence, both parties have agreed that Kenny remains in his position until the end of the season (due to the FA Cup), at which point Kenny will move upstairs.

Until that happens, we will keep shtum for the sake of the team.

Sacking DC otherwise makes no sense.

I dont think anything has been agreed with Kenny

Look at his press conference today, it did not look like a man who had agreed to step down/move upstairs at the end of the season

Looking at Kenny's emotions when we reached the Carling Cup final I dont think he'd have been able to contain himself if anything such as you are suggesting had already been agreed

It smacks of wishful thinking imo

[npinn001]

I'm sure Shanks, Paisley and al highly relied on it.

Stats are highly unreliable because of the context. You yourself was highly critical of signing Adam purely because the freedom and pressure he was used to at Blackpool wouldn't be the same at Anfield. I can understand it in baseball because the parameters don't change.

In football it's entirely different.

I agree. They are useful to compare and contrast, but its down to the managers style of play and bringing in players that fit the style. Its also about experience, experience of the game and reading a player.

Stats are however, useful to identify potential cheap players I think. Someone a bit leftfield who is a bargain and would slip under radar.

So to summarise - you're 20 goal a season start striker - scouts. but - you're cheap backup striker to take a punt on - stats.

[Mattshark]

I'm sure Shanks, Paisley and al highly relied on it.

Stats are highly unreliable because of the context. You yourself was highly critical of signing Adam purely because the freedom and pressure he was used to at Blackpool wouldn't be the same at Anfield. I can understand it in baseball because the parameters don't change.

In football it's entirely different.

Football has changed a great deal since the md 90's never mind the 60's so that is an irrelevance.

Yes, I have always said stats are useful in context, but eyewitnesses are very definitely also unreliable that is where they have great use as well as looking at certain aspects (such as arguing against Lucas' perceived inability to pass that was banded around here, stats showed that his pass accuracy was in fact very high and contrary to the second argument on here, they were primarily forward).

[BootRoom]

They are very useful for getting around the inherent issues of visual assessment which alone can be highly unreliable.

Give us some examples of stats that would help mitigate the frailties of human judgement.

Also, bear in mind that part of the initial success of sabermetrics was in uncovering new or little known parameters that were not obvious to the mere observer but which played an important role in the overall productivity of a player, or at least helped to evaluate a player's productivity more accurately, so I think the stats should be more than the usual "number of appearances", "goals scored" fare; you know, the kind of stuff that would be included in "conventional" scouting reports.

[Lecter]

There were rumours of something happening after the semi final, you may be right lines.

The rumours were that a review meeting was called for after the semi final

Todays rumours suggest Kenny requested that meeting brought forward

Its telling for me that Kenny has come out of that meeting still at the club and Comolli hasnt

[Mattshark]

Give us some examples of stats that would help mitigate the frailties of human judgement.

Also, bear in mind that part of the initial success of sabermetrics was in uncovering new or little known parameters that were not obvious to the mere observer but which played an important role in the overall productivity of a player, or at least helped to evaluate a players productivity more accurately, so I think the stats should be more than the usual "number of appearances", "goals scored" fare; you know, the kind of stuff that would be included in "conventional" scouting reports.

Lucas - the demonstrably false ****e people spouted on here (and elsewhere) about passing etc.

Visual assessment is has so many factors that affect it including initial bias and any prejudice. Basically it is extremely unreliable (this is more than well evidenced).

[Lecter]

I don't really buy this quaint but patronising view of the owners - wily Scot Dalglish casts his spell over a group of hard-nosed businessmen who see their investment plummet down the league table but are so enamoured with Kenny that they are almost hypnotised into sacking Comolli while Kenny has successfully played everyone, Comolli included. It presupposes that their conversations are of the "Isn't Kenny amazing?" variety as opposed to the much more likely "I don't give a **** how much of a legend he is".

It wasnt meant to be patronising

I just think he has swayed their view point and they will show leniency towards him

That doesnt mean they will give him free hand though. Hes had his wrists slapped and I think if the situation were to continue next season he'll be gone

I'm sorry if that doesnt tally with your perception of the owners and the situation but that is how I feel

[Exiled_red]

Wow I've just got home and seen this. I'm surprised, but clearly the transfer policy that we used last year didn't really work. It looks like Comolli has paid the price for that. It will be interesting to see what policy we adopt in future regarding transfers and whether/how Comolli is replaced - whether we will have a director of football or whether the manager will be in charge.

[Mattshark]

Wow I've just got home and seen this. I'm surprised, but clearly the transfer policy that we used last year didn't really work. It looks like Comolli has paid the price for that. It will be interesting to see what policy we adopt in future regarding transfers and whether/how Comolli is replaced - whether we will have a director of football or whether the manager will be in charge.

It is also reasonably clear imo that Comolli is certainly not (at least solely) responsible for last summers transfer **** up.

[BootRoom]

Lucas - the demonstrably false ****e people spouted on here (and elsewhere) about passing etc.

Visual assessment is has so many factors that affect it including initial bias and any prejudice. Basically it is extremely unreliable (this is more than well evidenced).

I asked for stats, preferably new or little known, that shine a light on how good a player is - not ones that can be used to agrue against clueless fans on the internet.

We're talking about football professionals assessing players here, not random fans with axes to grind.

[Exiled_red]

It is also reasonably clear imo that Comolli is certainly not (at least solely) responsible for last summers transfer **** up.

That's true it will be interesting to see what if anything happens in the summer.

[Mattshark]

I asked for stats, preferably new or little known, that shine a light on how good a player is - not ones that can be used to agrue against clueless fans on the internet.

We're talking about football professionals assessing players here, not random fans with axes to grind.

Sorry but where would I know about that? However, they clearly are use these stats as there are dedicated services that are used.

Being a professional scout doesn't mean you don't suffer all the problems associated with witnesses. Stats can counter some of these issues.

[BootRoom]

Sorry but where would I know about that? However, they clearly are use these stats as there are dedicated services that are used.

Being a professional scout doesn't mean you don't suffer all the problems associated with witnesses. Stats can counter some of these issues.

When you said:

They are very useful for getting around the inherent issues of visual assessment which alone can be highly unreliable.

I got the impression you had knowledge of them. Am I to take it that you really meant something along the lines of: "There are some stats that are useful for getting around the inherent issues of visual assessment which alone can be highly unreliable, but I don't know what they are" ?

[Shaggy]

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[Mattshark]

When you said:



I got the impression you had knowledge of them. Am I to take it that you really meant something along the lines of: "There are some stats that are useful for getting around the inherent issues of visual assessment which alone can be highly unreliable, but I don't know what they are" ?

I know about the unreliability of eyewitnesses, I know stats are used in scouting and I know what methods I would use to analyse it.

I also know that sabermetrics is not a case at simply looking at stats.