Comolli Sacked

[Fredo]

What do you mean, that Kenny is an 'old style' manager? That's how the press has painted him because he doesn't toe the line with them. I'm pretty confident that Kenny is no autocratic figure. He's just a massive personality and one that is revered in Liverpool, and ****ing rightly so. Everyone else should play by that mantra.

[Alex]

There have been a lot of people over the last 24hrs saying that Kenny holds all the power at the club like its a fact. Cant see that being the case after the short time he has been here.

[Pablo]

Not a fan of the dof role but from the bbc article the stand out candidate for me would be Txiki Begiristain. He was very instrumental in his time at Barceleona.

We should definitely interview him. DoF at Barca from 2003 until 2010. If he's available it's a no brainer really

[Phoenix07]

I'd love to hear what Cruyff, Tixi Begiristain or Van Gaal think of Adam, Downing and Carroll.

Either way, I think the players they present to the manager will be of a much higher quality.

[badpiggy]

Is Cryuff not a notorious cunt? Howe the **** would someone like that work with a manager?

[fred_plasticine]

What do you mean, that Kenny is an 'old style' manager? That's how the press has painted him because he doesn't toe the line with them. I'm pretty confident that Kenny is no autocratic figure. He's just a massive personality and one that is revered in Liverpool, and ****ing rightly so. Everyone else should play by that mantra.

i didn't mean kenny in particular, no.
i said it depends on the people involved. for all we know, fsg certainly think that comolli was the wrong man to go with in that role whereas kenny isn't. officially, at least

[peekay]

It has never worked in English football. Can't recall of a successful example. Ideally it's a role which should encompass managing the administrative side of things to help the manager but isn't it the same as chief executive? They should bin it and call in a chief exec instead.

But I think it would have worked and from everything KK told yesterday it appears he was willing to work under such a system. The biggest issue was that our signings proved to be less than stellar for the money involved. If Carroll had scored 20-22 goals in the league and Downing had more assists and goals than he has now ( atleast 5-10), Commoli would still be here.

Over the last 10 years, one of the reason why we have never been able to reach the very top in the league is because our scouting with respect to high end attacking players has been relatively poor. Get that right and we are 80% on our way to winning the league title. Get that wrong and our managers have paid for it. Right now it appears as it instead of the managers the DOF has paid for it.

[cream]

It has never worked in English football. Can't recall of a successful example. Ideally it's a role which should encompass managing the administrative side of things to help the manager but isn't it the same as chief executive? They should bin it and call in a chief exec instead.

I think its more to do with having an identity and footballing philosophy that runs through the club, one that doesn't change when you need to change the manager/coach.

[Vermilion]

We should definitely interview him. DoF at Barca from 2003 until 2010. If he's available it's a no brainer really

Makes sense, will also know Borell, so good working relationship as far as spotting and bringing through young foreign talent from places like SA, as well as everywhere else.

We have to be ready for that little indonesian fella when he arrives, the next Messi... No1364 No1365.

[dww]

It has never worked in English football. Can't recall of a successful example. Ideally it's a role which should encompass managing the administrative side of things to help the manager but isn't it the same as chief executive? They should bin it and call in a chief exec instead.

The question has to be why hasn't it worked in England when it has worked elsewhere. Looking at places like Barcelona where it has worked surely the point of a DoF has been to impose a strategic vision that last beyond a manager? I'd suggest that much of the job - i.e. setting the way reserves and youth are trained has fallen to managers in England. That side of things can hardly in general be called a success in this country.

I like the idea of a DoF but it is a hard appointment to get right. I think any figure coming in as DoF above/beside Kenny is going to have to be a very strong personality.

[badpiggy]

The question has to be why hasn't it worked in England when it has worked elsewhere. Looking at places like Barcelona where it has worked surely the point of a DoF has been to impose a strategic vision that last beyond a manager? I'd suggest that much of the job - i.e. setting the way reserves and youth are trained has fallen to managers in England. That side of things can hardly in general be called a success in this country.

I like the idea of a DoF but it is a hard appointment to get right. I think any figure coming in as DoF above/beside Kenny is going to have to be a very strong personality.

One of the pitfalls though is that the position will not be in one man's hands indefinitely. DOFs move on just like managers. I guess it becomes a self-sustaining thing if done right and the club develops a particular culture that all subsequent managerial and DOF appointments must subscribe to and continue. It still worries me that it's an extra and maybe unnecessary layer. And Barcelona is a tough one to follow cos they're in a football culture that already values technical ability above all othere things. I suppoose that makes the scale of FSG's ambition quite impressive actually.

[marcus50bucks]

Cynics may say all Werner and Liverpool owner John W Henry have done here is fire bullets at the fringes of the real problem, that they have made changes while shying away from the really tough decision relating to one of their club’s most popular and iconic figures.

After all, how can Werner criticise transfer activity on the one hand and, on the other, deliver such an unequivocal message of support for the man who earlier in the day had admitted the new signings were bought on his recommendation?

For now, though, the Americans have made their choice. Just as they did in appointing Dalglish in the first place, they have made what may generously be described as a ‘popular’ choice.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2129009/Kenny-Dalglish-excuses-left-Liverpool--Ian-Ladyman.html

As I said on another forum I think Comolli was clearly made a scapegoat. It was a cop out by fsg imo.

[McDermotX]

There have been a lot of people over the last 24hrs saying that Kenny holds all the power at the club like its a fact. Cant see that being the case after the short time he has been here.

I guess the 'power' as such lies with Kenny's relationship with the entire fanbase, and the ensuing relationship that those fans would have with FSG's ownership when certain choices have to made.
I'm not suggesting there is a 'pandering' of sorts to Kenny's whims, but for an outsider entering such a turbulent club, Kenny's stance could be analogous to the fanbase's in the eyes of the owners.
FSG are clearly no idiots all the same...........Comolli always struck me as a chancer with a hit and miss record really.

[Shaggy]

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Comolli had been trying to get KD removed from #Liverpool in the summer. #LFC #Football

[Tee]

Not a fan of the dof role but from the bbc article the stand out candidate for me would be Txiki Begiristain. He was very instrumental in his time at Barceleona.

Stand out candidate, no doubt. Personally I do not like this role but if we are to get someone, then he certainly is the man I hope we bring in.