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I beg to differ as it is not a clear cut type of injury assessment as you are saying.
I can tell you now, a specialist can identify a ruptured ligament with a quick 1 minute assessment. Obviously they have to scan it afterwards to confirm it 100%. In fact my mate injured his knee and when he went to see the consultant at the hospital, he bent his leg at the knee and actually put his ear to his knee and listened out for some noise. He told him there and then that he had ruptured his ligament and didn't even bother with an MRI scan. He had it operated on and repaired.
I did my knee badly a few weeks ago and the consultant who I saw confirmed in 2 mins my cartilage had been torn again by bending my leg and asking me to tell him where I could feel pain.
Medical staff don't have much time to decide as it's a split second type of decision and you cannot possibly tell me that game importance, player's insistance to continue to play, his previous zero injury record and difficulty to assess the injury of that kind on a fly + many other factors, for right or wrong reasons, did not have an impact on the final call.
I do agree with all that. If a player says he's fine to continue (which Lucas did), then the doctor will assume he will run it off and it's not the fault of the doctor if it turns out the injury is bad.
Medical staff don't have much time to decide as it's a split second type of decision and you cannot possibly tell me that game importance, player's insistance to continue to play, his previous zero injury record and difficulty to assess the injury of that kind on a fly + many other factors, for right or wrong reasons, did not have an impact on the final call.
What I can certainly tell you, is that the idea that the physios would have determined that Lucas could not possibly be injured on the basis that he'd never been injured before, is insane!
As for these other factors you've now mentioned: It wasn't a split second decision, the physios had 2/3 minutes with him before he was sent back on to the pitch. The fact that the pain was not actually at the point of impact and that ligament damage is the usual cause of knee pain should have been enough to at least suggest that he'd overextended his knee in the collision, resulting in some degree of ligament damage and that this was not a knock that could be run off.
Yes it was a big game, but it was not worth risking the long term fitness of an important player for. Especially given the scoreline and time remaining at that point.
Lucas may well have wanted to play on, but that should not be relevant if the physio had correctly determined even the possibility of that causing more damage.
It wasn't an innocuous injury because he was in clear pain and struggling to use his knee. It wasn't bad luck because they had enough time and information to weigh up the risks. He should have been taken off, even if only as a precaution. They screwed up.
Cruyff is a legend of the game. He'd be an ideal DOF. He is very single minded on how the game should be played though. I'm not sure he'd be Andy Carrolls biggest fan.
The only way he should be brought in Is if he's given control of who the manager is and who the players signed are. Which is kinda what a DOF does.
We'd take some big financial losses this summer, but we'd finally be on the right track. With the youth team already being run by ex Barca coaches, we'd be fine in that regards.
Van Gaal has also been mentioned. Same vision as Cruyff, despite the two hating eachother. Same principles apply to him.
Cruyff is a legend of the game. He'd be an ideal DOF. He is very single minded on how the game should be played though. I'm not sure he'd be Andy Carrolls biggest fan.
The only way he should be brought in Is if he's given control of who the manager is and who the players signed are. Which is kinda what a DOF does.
We'd take some big financial losses this summer, but we'd finally be on the right track. With the youth team already being run by ex Barca coaches, we'd be fine in that regards.
Van Gaal has also been mentioned. Same vision as Cruyff, despite the two hating eachother. Same principles apply to him.
It's amazing how many completely non-compromising, arrogant, ****-stirring ****pigs social democratic and liberalist haven Holland continually produces. I would love to see the look on Cruffy's face when he sees Andy Carroll at training - probably the same look of utterly perplexed annoyance that the average dutch person shows when you veer momentarily into the wrong side of the ****in cycle path. Bizarre people.
I can tell you now, a specialist can identify a ruptured ligament with a quick 1 minute assessment. Obviously they have to scan it afterwards to confirm it 100%. In fact my mate injured his knee and when he went to see the consultant at the hospital, he bent his leg at the knee and actually put his ear to his knee and listened out for some noise. He told him there and then that he had ruptured his ligament and didn't even bother with an MRI scan. He had it operated on and repaired.
I did my knee badly a few weeks ago and the consultant who I saw confirmed in 2 mins my cartilage had been torn again by bending my leg and asking me to tell him where I could feel pain.
Exactly this
The worst I've suffered is a minor calf strain
But even then, a GP was able to quickly identify it and stop me from doing any real damage.
Can't help but think Cruyff is Ajax, Butragueno is Real, Beckenbauer is Bayern - Dalglish is Liverpool
He seems to get into arguments, Cruyff.
I don't see why Dalglish isn't the man to do the figurehead thing, and a younger man is brought in to manage the team.
Dalglish admitted the signings were his; the performances are poor, FSG aren't happy - why is it a man who is only responsible for half of the problem is sacked (because Comolli wasn't involved tactically) and the man allegedly causing the whole problem, keeps his job?
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