New manager thread

[kris90210]

Hope your right, but the fact he done ok with a small club, and it was only OK does not in anyway make him a quality manager and I have a terrible feeling about this man. I think he will fail and fail big time. We will then be back to where we are now in less than 12 months.

He's not really only done ok though. When you consider it's Wigan we're talking about here, and when you consider the money he's spent and the players he's lost. To have them playing good football and keeping them in the Premiership - it's actually an excellent achievement.

On top of that, for all the praise Swansea are getting, it was Martinez who put the foundations in place for this. Pros and cons of Martinez as I see them:

Pros
+ He gets his team playing attacking, passing football - something we all crave
+ He's a tactician, as shown by his switch to an unusual 3-4-3 system
+ He's young, hungry for success
+ He seems to have good man managment skills
+ Likable
+ Experience of the Premiership
+ Possibly more open to working with an experienced 'Director of Football'

Cons
- He's never managed a 'big' club before
- He's not used to working with 'big' players
- Unproven at the highest level

Now I think that list is pretty impartial, but feel free to correct me. Now, let's assume that FSG want to complement the position of manager with an experienced director of football, such as Van Gaal - who would take a far more hands on role than normal. You get someone who cancel out Martinez's flaws. On paper they would compliment one another perfectly. Add in Segura as someone who is familar with the methods at the club already, as well as working with Benitez and Barcelona.

Personally, I'd be pretty excited to see how a team of Martinez / Van Gaal / Segura would do. Van Gaal is the crucial one though. I really hope we bring him in.

[spud_gun]

why is it looking that why?

Henry met a bloke who we knew he was interviewing and that its.

The Over reaction on this thread to this meeting is classic Est, What do we know that we didnt know last week?

That Facebook shares would bomb

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why is it looking that why?

Henry met a bloke who we knew he was interviewing and that its.

The Over reaction on this thread to this meeting is classic Est, What do we know that we didnt know last week?

Exactly, everyone knew Martinez was meeting JWH, people need to calm down.

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He's not really only done ok though. When you consider it's Wigan we're talking about here, and when you consider the money he's spent and the players he's lost. To have them playing good football and keeping them in the Premiership - it's actually an excellent achievement.

On top of that, for all the praise Swansea are getting, it was Martinez who put the foundations in place for this. Pros and cons of Martinez as I see them:

Pros
+ He gets his team playing attacking, passing football - something we all crave
+ He's a tactician, as shown by his switch to an unusual 3-4-3 system
+ He's young, hungry for success
+ He seems to have good man managment skills
+ Likable
+ Experience of the Premiership
+ Possibly more open to working with an experienced 'Director of Football'

Cons
- He's never managed a 'big' club before
- He's not used to working with 'big' players
- Unproven at the highest level

Now I think that list is pretty impartial, but feel free to correct me. Now, let's assume that FSG want to complement the position of manager with an experienced director of football, such as Van Gaal - who would take a far more hands on role than normal. You get someone who cancel out Martinez's flaws. On paper they would compliment one another perfectly. Add in Segura as someone who is familar with the methods at the club already, as well as working with Benitez and Barcelona.

Personally, I'd be pretty excited to see how a team of Martinez / Van Gaal / Segura would do. Van Gaal is the crucial one though. I really hope we bring him in.

I agree with this, But then you would have thought there are others out there with more experience out there. I am just not sure Martinez is ready for his shot at the big time.

Gerry Francis was on the radio the other day and made an interesting point about his step up from QPR to Tottenham and the massive massive difference.
The eyes of the world were on him and even friendlies mattered, Said it took him a few months to adjust to a big job.

I am not sure we have got that luxury, Also no matter how many pro's they are and I do like those pro's it represents a massive gamble.

One that if it did happen we would have to give the manager huge support and plenty of patience.

[wiw]

Tracksuit manager

This will never work.

What exactly is a tracksuit manager

[Chrono]

That Facebook shares would bomb

It was pretty obvious though

[Neil Young]

What do we know that we didnt know last week?

Just this morning I heard a great quote (although it's actually a slight misquote):

Everything has been said but not everyone has said it yet.

...And I immediately thought of Est.

[kris90210]

I agree with this, But then you would have thought there are others out there with more experience out there. I am just not sure Martinez is ready for his shot at the big time.

Gerry Francis was on the radio the other day and made an interesting point about his step up from QPR to Tottenham and the massive massive difference.
The eyes of the world were on him and even friendlies mattered, Said it took him a few months to adjust to a big job.

I am not sure we have got that luxury, Also no matter how many pro's they are and I do like those pro's it represents a massive gamble.

One that if it did happen we would have to give the manager huge support and plenty of patience.

Of course, it is a gamble. No question about that. But as others have said, every manager has to start somewhere.

Look at Barca now. They have frequently gone with un-tested managers and have had lots of success with that. They lose Guardiola, could pretty much attract any manager in world football, and who do they go for? Some random from within. I wonder what the fan reaction has been to that.

The crucial thing I think we're all missing is the role of the director of football in all of this. Martinez would be less a manager and more a coach. From what I've read, Van Gaal would be involved in trainin and he'd be calling the shots on transfers. Martinez as a traditional manager would be a huge gamble. Martinez with Van Gaal backing him up would be much less of a gamble in my opinion.

If we look at the potential candidates (who are still interested), every one comes with their own 'cons' and would be a gamble in their own right. All apart from Rafa that is, but the owners clearly want to take the club in a new direction. I'd love for Rafa to get the job, but if he doesn't, I'd like to see a Martinez / Van Gaal combo.

[kris90210]

What exactly is a tracksuit manager

Basically a manager who is heavily involved in coaching. Some delegate.

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What exactly is a tracksuit manager

[colin85]

Martinez better be a success if he gets the job as We can't afford any more setbacks.
Each year we are falling away behind the top 4.

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Of course, it is a gamble. No question about that. But as others have said, every manager has to start somewhere.

Look at Barca now. They have frequently gone with un-tested managers and have had lots of success with that. They lose Guardiola, could pretty much attract any manager in world football, and who do they go for? Some random from within. I wonder what the fan reaction has been to that.

The crucial thing I think we're all missing is the role of the director of football in all of this. Martinez would be less a manager and more a coach. From what I've read, Van Gaal would be involved in trainin and he'd be calling the shots on transfers. Martinez as a traditional manager would be a huge gamble. Martinez with Van Gaal backing him up would be much less of a gamble in my opinion.

If we look at the potential candidates (who are still interested), every one comes with their own 'cons' and would be a gamble in their own right. All apart from Rafa that is, but the owners clearly want to take the club in a new direction. I'd love for Rafa to get the job, but if he doesn't, I'd like to see a Martinez / Van Gaal combo.

I Imagine the Fan reaction being pretty good, its just similar to our golden age of the boot room. And as Regards Barca going with untested managers, who?
I can only think of Guardiola in the last 30 odd years who was untested?

We are employing someone who has absolute no concept of what it means to play or manage a top football club.

[Phoenix07]

It's not even Martinez I have the problem with. In fact, it's the opposite. I reckon he'd try his best to get us playing well and do his best to respect us. I think he's terribly overrated at the moment.

It's the press overhyping him beyond belief and the 'pluck any name of the hat' approach we've had which has led us from Klopp and De Boer to Villas Boas and Martinez. Poor guy never asked to be approached and like Hodgson, it's his big chance to shine. Who wouldn't take that opportunity?

Note, I am not comparing Hodgson's managerial capabilities to Martinez. I am comparing the situation they were/are in with us whereby the fans don't want them and the board seemingly have/had them as their first choice.

I hope we get Van Gaal as manager with Txiki doing the administrative stuff, but we shall see.

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It's not even Martinez I have the problem with. In fact, it's the opposite. I reckon he'd try his best to get us playing well and do his best to respect us. I think he's terribly overrated at the moment.

It's the press overhyping him beyond belief and the 'pluck any name of the hat' approach we've had which has led us from Klopp and De Boer to Villas Boas and Martinez. Poor guy never asked to be approached and like Hodgson, it's his big chance to shine. Who wouldn't take that opportunity?

Note, I am not comparing Hodgson's managerial capabilities to Martinez. I am comparing the situation they were/are in with us whereby the fans don't want them and the board seemingly have/had them as their first choice.

I hope we get Van Gaal as manager with Txiki doing the administrative stuff, but we shall see.

This guy is destined to manage at the highest level.....Dave Whelan said so

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Just this morning I heard a great quote (although it's actually a slight misquote):


...And I immediately thought of Est.