New manager thread

[Vermilion]

What if they already made the wrong decision? That's what I feel anyway.

Well, i'm just saying what i want in an owner, which is not one that needs fans to tell them what to do.

Maybe Kenny was the right decision at the time, because AVB was unavailable, now he is..they've moved for him..maybe ? So it's about decisions made at certain points in time, maybe the right decision was always AVB, but they couldn't have him when they needed to make the decison, if you understand what i mean.

Like, if you have to make a decision..but the one you want to make isn't a choice, and the choices you do have, you believe to be wrong or stop gap ones at best, what do you do ?

[Mattshark]

I have no idea how you can rule anything out about his potential. The one thing he has over other players is that he's always described as someone that thinks about football all the time. That doesn't guarantee he'll be a good coach but it's pretty much a prerequisite.

I think it is because of his football ideology and his overt national bias.

[Neil Young]

I think it is because of his football ideology and his overt national bias.

"Football ideology" - what's that? And what are you basing your perceptions on?

[Phoenix07]

I think if rafas reign shows anything it is that if you give a manager with a clear strategic vision time you cab reap the benefits. Istanbul bought him time to implement his strategy and it was working until a few key players left without being properly replaced. Does Martinez or AVB have such a long term vision and possess the ability to implement it successfully? Obviously nobody can know for certain but you couldn't even begin to speculate on whether they do without personally meeting them.

The second question is in the likely absence of a miraculous first season in charge like rafa had, will the new manger be given another full year on top of that to show how his plan is progressing?

If you see a clear system/style of play, and the signings made fit into that, then I can't see why people would turn. The argument from people like myself in relation to Kenny was that I couldn't see the above.

Rafa had that in his first season, explaining why he signed the players we did and used a system similar to the one at Valencia, except it was a more conservative 4-5-1 rather than 4-2-3-1.

Managers like Villas Boas and De Boer clearly favour fluid 4-3-3 systems and have used players to fit it ahead of an overall philosophy of attacking football. Martinez is similar, although I don't think he's as tactically astute as some make him out to be.

[Mattshark]

"Football ideology" - what's that? And what are you basing your perceptions on?

Well yes, from what he says and how he plays. I would be extremely worried with him ever being coach or manager for us.

[Atherton red]

So many players and managers have spoken highly of carras knowledge of thr game, furthermore as someone who knows exactly what it takes to put their heart and soul into wearing the red shirt he's ideal to be working on some of the players less committed in their approach. Great example to new lfc players as to how to conduct themselves as professionals and lfc players, not to forget a valid working experience of how to win trophies.

Media savvy etc? Maybe not but there's time as part of a coaching team to develop those skills. I'd definitely look to include him.

[Fredo]

Well yes, from what he says and how he plays. I would be extremely worried with him ever being coach or manager for us.

His playing style is more a reflection of his physical attributes than his ideology of the game.

[Rowan]

Well yes, from what he says and how he plays. I would be extremely worried with him ever being coach or manager for us.

Is there an argument that his footballing style is based on the limitations of his abilities though, Matt. Much like Kuyt's style is graft over finesse.

I'm not sure what his ideology is. I see no reason why the club couldn't do something similar to what Ferguson has with his horrible lot. Get him working with the kids or ressies and infuse the clubs overarching philosophy in to him as a coach.

The Carra issue for me, as I've said too often anyway, isn't whether he has a role but whether he can accept the limitations of that role without undermining the wider process

[Kronenburg1892]

Have a listen to this. He's obviously pushing his app, but listen out for his comments on club structure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RgrEGE674G4

[Neil Young]

Well yes, from what he says and how he plays. I would be extremely worried with him ever being coach or manager for us.

If we're going to judge someone's potential as a coach by how he plays then Alex Ferguson clearly lacks the sophistication to win a single game in Europe and Rafa Benitez will end up signing players who are not good enough to play in the top division.

Translation: Your conclusions are based on very limited and probably irrelevant data and fail to allow for the possibility of change.

[danperkins]

I would be happy with AVB although the old guard that he alienated, won Chelsea the FA Cup and the Champs League.

Players like Drogba & Lampard who were consistently dropped by AVB have been superb for Chelsea since AVB departure & are a massive factor in how they have played the latter end of the season. It does make you wonder if Villas Boas had his mind set so much on breaking the old guard up, that he forgot that they are actually fantastic footballers!

It's a difficult one to judge him at Chelsea, did he just get it completely wrong Or was he pissing against the wind from the get go? Maybe a bit of both? I'd be curious to what the man himself has to say about his time at Chelsea.

[Mattshark]

I didn't just say from how he plays did I. What he says comes across as old school English style. I really don't think that is the way forward.

[Mattshark]

If we're going to judge someone's potential as a coach by how he plays then Alex Ferguson clearly lacks the sophistication to win a single game in Europe and Rafa Benitez will end up signing players who are not good enough to play in the top division.

Translation: Your conclusions are based on very limited and probably irrelevant data and fail to allow for the possibility of change.

Well clearly, but I have no faith in him, I have concerns about numerous aspects regarding him, including his xenophobic comments.

[Neil Young]

I didn't just say from how he plays did I. What he says comes across as old school English style. I really don't think that is the way forward.

No, you didn't just say you're basing it on how he plays but I'm saying it's totally irrelevant so let's just put all that aside.

I also think what he says now, as someone who has never coached, is not relevant to how he may end up.

Like I say, I think he has the only requirement we can see from here, if other people's assessments of him (including Benitez's) can be believed, that is, he's an avid analyst of football.

Of course he may end up revealing himself to lack the ability to be a coach, like most people, ex-players or not.

[Red_Polo]

I have no idea how you can rule anything out about his potential.

No, nor do I, which is why I didn't rule it out.

Just saying I wouldn't 'expect' something and asked someone else why they might. I just haven't seen any evidence that he is some sort of stand out choice for assistant.