Hillsborough

[Vermilion]

Some well abided by 'silences' in rememberance of Hillsborough at all the grounds today from what i'm hearing.

Just listening to a Leeds fan on radio saying how he, and in his opinion..."everybody in Leeds", wants to see Liverpool win the title.

Obviously because of the 96, and Stevie Gee got a very good mention too. So many neutrals, and in some cases outright rivals; want to see him lift this trophy, more especially this season as it would be just perfect.

[Oberon]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...lsborough.html

Is a good write up, it's just a shame it has taken so long to get even here.

[Tee]

it would be nice to see all premiership/english league/any teams use them until the end of the season. maybe better than the scarf idea.

Maybe if not till the end of the season, for that weekend.

[baitman]

Classy gesture that is.

it would be nice to see all premiership/english league/any teams use them until the end of the season. maybe better than the scarf idea.

[Tee]

Classy gesture that is.

[Yozza]

A Gunners fan puts a Hillsborough 25th anniversary Liverpool badge on his Arsenal shirt

Type “Adam Cooper JTF96″ or “Adam Cooper Liverpool” into Twitter’s search engine and you’ll find heart-warming messages from Liverpool fans in reaction to a Facebook post from an Arsenal supporter.

Adam Cooper, the said Arsenal fan, put a picture on his Facebook wall this week which has since gone viral.

The picture showed the fan’s Arsenal shirt with a Hillsborough 25th anniversary badge placed in the middle of the jersey.

The Gunners fan explained his actions in along with his picture, finishing his update with “Justice for the 96″.

[ChesterDave]

Yup. While their may be the potential for criminal investigations for the actions of the police in changing the statments it doesn't in itself count as evidence to their actions on the day being enough for an unlawful killing verdict.

My pessimism stems from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_killing

"The appropriate standard of proof is that the unlawful killing must be beyond reasonable doubt. This is when the evidence was so overwhelmingly obvious that death would result, that no other thing is taken into account. If this standard is not met, a verdict of accidental death or death by misadventure should be considered on the balance of probabilities."

[EwarWoo]

That's separate I think, already some police are being investigated with a view to charges for that.

[baitman]

the changing of statements, the deliberate collaboration to hide evidence, surely this is blatant and illegal.

[ChesterDave]

It may be me being pessimistic given the fight for justice having been so long and problematic but I am cautious that may not be enough to bump it from negligent to 'unlawful'

I'm terrified that this fight will meet with a massive disappointment.

[EwarWoo]

The police are to blame, directly. Not letting the ambo's in was a direct cause of deaths. And not letting the ambo's in was done to cover their arse not in good faith.

If that doesn't make them directly culpable what's the point of a justice system?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquests_in_England_and_Wales#Verdict

They're the possible verdicts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter#Criminally_negligent_manslaughter

[ChesterDave]

With the new inquests starting. What are the realistic outcomes. I've been looking into inquest verdicts and I'm not sure exactly what verdict could be given that will exonerate the fans/lay culpability at the authorities? By exonerate I of course mean in addition to the evidence that has been revealed subsequently that shows the complicity of the police in changing statements etc. Obv we know they are not to blame but the accidental death has that lingering 'nobody to blame' feel when we know negligence by certain authorities contributed to deaths. I've not seen an inquest verdict where negligence is a verdict - only accidental/unlawful.

If there any inquest verdict between 'accidental death' and 'unlawful killing' that would shift the pointed finger to the authorities?

[RichC]

Disgusting, he's never apologised or taken a step backwards with Hillsborough either has he.

You'd imagine he'd have been knee deep in the cover up at the time as well the revolting little weasel

[Shaggy]

He was aye. It surfaced a couple of years ago I think. Outrageous isn't it.

[RichC]

Never seen this before either, what a loathsome and disgusting letter to have written.

Ex Thatcher press officer wasn't he?