Hillsborough

[Buzzo]

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[Shaggy]

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I just can't bear to watch any of these.
My father in law was there and it really affects him to this day.
My wife used to go to all the cup matches with him but that day she gave her ticket for Leppings Lane to her uncle who lived in Sheffield and who they'd gone up to stay with for the weekend.
My father in law turned up at the house shell shocked at about 9pm, the uncle had been home since 6pm and that was an anxious few hours for them all.
I was in that stand at the semi the year before when it could easily have happened
and didn't go to a match for at least ten years after Hillsborough.
The people suffering from PTSD must run into the thousands. I know a few people who were severely ****ed up by it.

[frank the tank]

I was at Hillsborough was 17 at the time.

I watched Anne with my wife and 2 daughters (they are 13 and 16). My youngest said to my wife last night after watching the last episode that she thinks it affected me a lot as she could see me getting emotional and angry at certain parts

My daughters asking me questions has made me reflect on a lot of the events of that day and since

The families will never find the justice they want but I have found some peace myself. Its only since the new inquiries that I have come to realise how much that day affected me.

My head was a mess for a long time and to be honest I just coasted through my A levels and Degree course because of that

I honestly think a couple of things stopped me spiralling out of control...

My best mate who is a blue, I talked and talked him to death post Hillsborough. He knew from the get go that I was struggling and he was massively there for me. He sat and listened to all I wanted to say and most importantly he believed what I said

The second person was a girl I went out with for a few years after Hillsborough. She was someone I met at Uni she wasn't from Liverpool at first she believed the lies and smears but after talking with me (firstly as just a friend then as my girlfriend) she believed and supported me. Her family did the same as well

I owe a great debt to both of them

[Buzzo]

Cheers for sharing mate.

I find it difficult enough without having that personal connection that you have. It’s probably really healthy for you to have these conversations with your daughter and the program has really been good at handling the subject of the families as well as the survivors. And it seems Anne was pivotal in identifying both.

I agree the sentiment you have on the families ‘not finding the justice they are looking for’. It’s a good way of putting it. Given the time and the journey it is unlikely anything realistic would ever feel enough. And hopefully the light that is being shined on the experience and the campaign helps create awareness.

Even the Daily Mail had an article Anne Williams and the program - which seems amazing to me.

Good to hear from you Lec

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I was at Hillsborough was 17 at the time.

I watched Anne with my wife and 2 daughters (they are 13 and 16). My youngest said to my wife last night after watching the last episode that she thinks it affected me a lot as she could see me getting emotional and angry at certain parts

My daughters asking me questions has made me reflect on a lot of the events of that day and since

The families will never find the justice they want but I have found some peace myself. Its only since the new inquiries that I have come to realise how much that day affected me.

My head was a mess for a long time and to be honest I just coasted through my A levels and Degree course because of that

I honestly think a couple of things stopped me spiralling out of control...

My best mate who is a blue, I talked and talked him to death post Hillsborough. He knew from the get go that I was struggling and he was massively there for me. He sat and listened to all I wanted to say and most importantly he believed what I said

The second person was a girl I went out with for a few years after Hillsborough. She was someone I met at Uni she wasn't from Liverpool at first she believed the lies and smears but after talking with me (firstly as just a friend then as my girlfriend) she believed and supported me. Her family did the same as well

I owe a great debt to both of them

[Buzzo]

I'm two episodes into Anne. I knew it would be tough, powerful, upsetting, affecting and well-executed, but it's exceeded all of that so far.

Maxine Peake is incredible. Everyone should watch it.

My wife couldnt watch beyond the first epsidoe, she found it too much.

I wept a bit less episodes 2 and 3, but that first episode is soooo punishing. Instantly from the initial arguement where there was reluctance to let him go to the game....

Just brutal...

[Shaggy]

I'm two episodes into Anne. I knew it would be tough, powerful, upsetting, affecting and well-executed, but it's exceeded all of that so far.

Maxine Peake is incredible. Everyone should watch it.

[frank the tank]

totally agree. On reflection it's abhorrent

Goes back to my previous comment about the insular nature of the police.

Also add in tone deaf.

At the time (98 I think) the HJC objected and there was a petition with over 15000 signatures calling for the appointment to be reversed. It was all rejected.

Bettison offered to meet them to discuss and assure them of any concerns.

Other things you struggle to understand is how Liverpool John Moores University gave Bettison an honorary degree a few years later - presumably for his work on Merseyside. John Moores was David Moores uncle ffs!!!!

[spud_gun]

Oh yeah I agree with you that it probably wouldn't happen today as there would be public widespread backlash.

However, surely either himself or someone else in the decision making process would have stopped and thought "hmm this might be a bit contentious.......or might create some trouble" - even from a community connection point of view it was perverse.

totally agree. On reflection it's abhorrent

Goes back to my previous comment about the insular nature of the police.

Also add in tone deaf.

[frank the tank]

I wasn't aware of that. I dare say there's a good number of people who weren't aware of that.

You think back to the late 80s and early 90s and the news sources that were available. TV / Newspapers / Ceefax and that was about it.

It wouldn't have happened in this day and age. For all it's ills social media can be a force for good in some instances.

Also a reminder of the insular nature of police forces up and down the country. Close ranks and protect their own....continually.

Oh yeah I agree with you that it probably wouldn't happen today as there would be public widespread backlash.

However, surely either himself or someone else in the decision making process would have stopped and thought "hmm this might be a bit contentious.......or might create some trouble" - even from a community connection point of view it was perverse.

[Buzzo]

Only caught the end of the last episode last night but I will go back and watch them all.

I think the passing of time does certainly bring a new perspective all right. And also as a parent now, I totally agree with what you are saying alright Buzzo.



One thing that I can never get my head around is how Norman Bettison took up a position in Merseyside police a number of years after Hillsborough. I just can't understand that.

I didnt know that either

Watched episiodes 2 and 3 last night. Both good and getting more into territory that has been covered more recently - episode 3 finishes with the Andy Burnham speech.

It is still uncomfortable viewing, and the injustice after injustice is ****ing outrageous, how they kept going. But not as hard a watch as the first episode which is such an accurate portrayal of the raw grief that it is quite uncomfiortable to witness.

Maxine Peake is a phenomenon.

[spud_gun]

Only caught the end of the last episode last night but I will go back and watch them all.

I think the passing of time does certainly bring a new perspective all right. And also as a parent now, I totally agree with what you are saying alright Buzzo.



One thing that I can never get my head around is how Norman Bettison took up a position in Merseyside police a number of years after Hillsborough. I just can't understand that.

I wasn't aware of that. I dare say there's a good number of people who weren't aware of that.

You think back to the late 80s and early 90s and the news sources that were available. TV / Newspapers / Ceefax and that was about it.

It wouldn't have happened in this day and age. For all it's ills social media can be a force for good in some instances.

Also a reminder of the insular nature of police forces up and down the country. Close ranks and protect their own....continually.

[frank the tank]

Only caught the end of the last episode last night but I will go back and watch them all.

I think the passing of time does certainly bring a new perspective all right. And also as a parent now, I totally agree with what you are saying alright Buzzo.



One thing that I can never get my head around is how Norman Bettison took up a position in Merseyside police a number of years after Hillsborough. I just can't understand that.

[Buzzo]

A couple of things struck me in my own limited association with the events, from my now advanced mid 40’s and parent. And it is the passing of time that creates a new perspective and understanding. Looking at what happened from my life now as a parent, whilst remembering it all from when I was a kid and then following the injustices as the years advance.

My eldest son is now only a couple of years older than Kevin Williams was in 89. And I was only a year younger than Kevin was in 89…

Anne Williams was 38 when Kevin died. The strength that she showed…

As mentioned it is almost too much to watch this depiction. But we must.

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