Hillsborough

[DeanoUK]

Johnson can **** off, there was no excuse for what he said and he's been trying to grovel ever since it back fired on him. Useless self-serving elitist tory cunt.

[Lee]

This is some read. Harrowing stuff.

http://hillsborough.independent.gov....0001100001.pdf

Wow, just read all of this. Terrible. The poor girl who died next to him... you can't imagine that.

[Shaggy]

Wow, just read all of this. Terrible. The poor girl who died next to him... you can't imagine that.

The girl, the young lad they found under their feet. Just devastating. I'd love to know if he ever found his mate alive.

[Eric Swindler]

I wouldn't say they're worthless, they're 23 years too late but an apology is acknowledgement that there has been wrongdoing. What happens next is the question?

Well the way I see it, they all already knew there was wrongdoing and for some considerable length of time. Maybe 'hollow' is a better way of describing the apologies.

[Lee]

The girl, the young lad they found under their feet. Just devastating. I'd love to know if he ever found his mate alive.

I did wonder that too.

I'm presuming they found him with what the family said at the end, and there was no mention about his mate passing away. Hopefully he made his own way home and all was well.

Puts you right into his mind though - things you don't really think about like trying to get himself on camera to get a message to his family, or trying to find a phone to let people know that he's okay.

Absolute nightmare.

[Pablo]

This is some read. Harrowing stuff.

http://hillsborough.independent.gov....0001100001.pdf

Just finished reading it in work, and barely managed to hold back the tears. Unimaginably sickening, the most painful thing I've ever had to read

[Tee]

Johnson can **** off, there was no excuse for what he said and he's been trying to grovel ever since it back fired on him. Useless self-serving elitist tory cunt.

I met him a few years ago and pulled him up about that remark. He mumbled some **** and made a sheepish escape. Foul breath cunt.

[baitman]

there will be plenty of arse covering attempts going on by many of the people involved at the time... there is still plenty to uncover. not much of a paper trail seems to go back directly to thatcher, so far...
im sure that nothing went on without her knowledge and approval

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19584313

Ex-Home Secretary Jack Straw has said Margaret Thatcher's government created a "culture of impunity" in the police that led to the Hillsborough cover-up.

An independent report accused the South Yorkshire Police of deflecting blame for the disaster on to innocent fans.

But Labour's Mr Straw said the then Conservative government was complicit because they needed "partisan" support from the police.

Senior Conservatives dismissed the claims as "very silly" and "wrong".

Mr Straw said that it was "a matter of great regret" to him that Labour had not ensured that the disaster had been investigated thoroughly enough earlier in its time in office, between 1997 and 2010.

But he also told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The Thatcher government, because they needed the police to be a partisan force, particularly for the miners strike and other industrial troubles, created a culture of impunity in the police service.

"They really were immune from outside influences and they thought they could rule the roost and that is what we absolutely saw in south Yorkshire."

Mellor 'disappointed'
But Lord Tebbit, one of Baroness Thatcher's closest political allies, said Mr Straw's remarks were "just very, very silly".

It was "nonsense" to claim that the Thatcher government was ready to turn a blind eye to police conduct, he said.

David Mellor, another former Conservative cabinet minister, said Mr Straw's remarks were "wrong" and "disappointing".

Ninety-six Liverpool fans died after a crush on overcrowded terraces at Sheffield Wednesday's ground during the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest in April 1989.

An independent report found some of the 96 might have been saved and said police had changed witness statements to blame Liverpool fans for the disaster.

The report was compiled by the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which had scrutinised more than 450,000 pages of documents over the past 18 months.

Following its publication, David Cameron apologised to victims' families for the "double injustice", which he said was both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", and in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths"

[Lecter]

Apologies are worthless at this stage. After all, the 'guilty' parties have little choice but to apologise given the weight of damning information that has now come to public light.

The vast bulk of the apologies have come from institutions that have no resemblance to what they were 23 years ago

We've seen precious little in the way of apologies from the individuals who were running those or even working for those institutions when the disaster took place

They are the ones with the most culpability in all this and the least amount of contrition

[Lecter]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19584313

Ex-Home Secretary Jack Straw has said Margaret Thatcher's government created a "culture of impunity" in the police that led to the Hillsborough cover-up.

Jack Straw can **** off as well as far as I am concerned, he did nothing to help the families whatsoever during his time in office

Successive governments failed the families and people of Liverpool, they were all complicit in keeping the truth out of the public domain

There is absolutely no hiding from that

[Lecter]

This is some read. Harrowing stuff.

http://hillsborough.independent.gov....0001100001.pdf

Terrifying reading that

Brings back so many bad memories

[kev776]

Grim reading, words fail me. Many people should face manslaughter charges, I won't hold my breath waiting for the charges to be brought though.

[Shaggy]

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/a-message-from-paul-mckeever-police-fed-chairman/

A Message from Paul McKeever (Police Fed Chairman)

I’m sorry for Hillsborough

September 13, 2012 by inspectorgadget

I once heard a Townsend-Thoresen employee apologise for the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster. He wasn’t on board but felt tainted by the mistakes. I now know what he meant.

I know nothing about Hillsborough except what I have read and seen over the last few days.

Knowing nothing about it, and being surprised at the widely reported allegation that senior police officers changed or amended statements made by junior staff, all be it on legal advice from solicitors, I can only watch with interest as the story unfolds.

As a junior police officer, that is to say not part of the local or national Senior Management Team or Command Team, but subject to their whims on a daily basis, I would like a forensic examination of every senior police officer who ordered anything illegal or immoral on that day, and during any subsequent cover-up.

Many of these senior officers are now even more senior, and are currently squatting in local police forces around the country.

I have no idea if we have one at Ruralshire Constabulary.

As a serving police officer, despite never having served in South Yorkshire Police, I am sorry for what happened. Not sorry because I was there or even know anyone who was there, but sorry for being part of an organisation with such a horrible history in that regard. If it is of any use to victims families at all, I am confident that these days, junior staff on the frontline (From PC to Inspector) know far more about how to save lives, and we do so here on my patch on a regular basis, all be it on a smaller scale.

My experience of Ruralshire Ambulance Service junior staff is that they are also totally dedicated to saving lives and behaving properly in all circumstances.

I can also totally assure you that if anyone ever tried to amend a statement of mine, and I heard about it, I would take immediate action via PSD, the IPCC, HMIC, HM Coroner, a Magistrate or wherever I had to go to do so. I know that the people I work with would say the same.

[Alex]

and are currently squatting in local police forces around the country.

Powerful line.

[baitman]

Jack Straw can **** off as well as far as I am concerned, he did nothing to help the families whatsoever during his time in office

Successive governments failed the families and people of Liverpool, they were all complicit in keeping the truth out of the public domain

There is absolutely no hiding from that

thats almost certainly correct. anything that helps open these buried files is a positive, even if its old labour mp's trying to score some political points off the tories, not that i agree with the pettiness of that in the light of the Hillsborough tragedy

in time we all hope that the ones who were directly responsible in creating the cover up are brought to justice. we might also hope that others who were complicit in knowing what had happened and chose not to do the decent thing will also be outed.