Mancs Post Match

[Exiled_red]

For the same tackle? Both off the ground, both two-footed, both out of control, both got the ball...

Yeah it's the same situation as you say. The same applies for both, the ref has to treat both the same, he either lets both off, books both or sends both off, it probably doesn't make any difference which one he decides because it keeps the game even. Punishing one and not the other is the problem.

[Leyton388]

100% correct there from Shelvey. FFS the united chairman is on the FA board!

[Bender]

Quote:
Billy Liddell @Liddellpool
When sent off, this is what Shelvey said to Sir Alex Ferguson: "You control the ref, and the game."

[yamiedo]

Why did Shelvey have words with Fergie? I missed all that.

Thought we played great all things considered. The big test is still to come. Playing the little diddy teams. We are unlucky to have no victories yet. If we keep working like that it will surely come. There is change coming and its just over the hill. Its just a matter of getting over the hill. (Yes, I did just use a classic Rodgers cliched quote)

[Neil Young]

You don't win games if you dont score goals. Also what has rodgers done to our defense? We had a solid defence last season and its gone too **** this season.

I think he might be trying to change the way we play and that might have weakened us defensively to some extent. I imagine he would say it's temporary.

But it could be we're locked in a death spiral and have begun an inexorable plummet through the leagues like a latter-day Northampton Town.

[Gibbo]

Haha Jonjo

[destinydude]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2tHr5Y0t3E"]Alex ferguson got insulted by Jonjo Shelvey - YouTube[/ame]

[Bender]

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard on his side's defeat by Manchester United: "We played really well today with 11 and even better with 10 so it's disappointing. It's not a red card. I'm not going to stand here and say a Manchester United player should be sent off but you look for consistency and if he [the referee] is adamant it was a red then Jonny Evans should have had a red as well. I knew at the time it wasn't a red.

"If we keep playing like that and showing that determination it won't be long [until we get a first league win of the season]. We are not going to keep blaming luck and keep making excuses and we need it at Norwich. We will keep plugging away.

[Vermilion]

Total LFC @TheTotalLFC
Jamie Redknap said " all the refree's decisions were against Liverpool " then Gary Neville said " I agree "

Total LFC @TheTotalLFC
Gary Neville: "Liverpool were robbed 3 points...by referee"

[Neil Young]

Yeah it's the same situation as you say. The same applies for both, the ref has to treat both the same, he either lets both off, books both or sends both off, it probably doesn't make any difference which one he decides because it keeps the game even. Punishing one and not the other is the problem.

[Exiled_red]

You don't win games if you dont score goals. Also what has rodgers done to our defense? We had a solid defence last season and its gone too **** this season.

I think it's the issue of pushing the fullbacks forward more, and not having someone like Lucas to sit in front of the centrebacks. That said I thought that the defence did well today.

[Chazza]

Jonjo Shelvey @shelveyJ 6m
I apologise to the fans for getting sent off but no way was I pulling out of that tackle in a game of that importance. Im sorry.

Jonjo Shelvey @shelveyJ 5m
I have also apologised to sir Alex , just where I come from people don't grass people up to get someone sent off.

[Fivex]

So did Ferguson have words with the 4th official? Helsey made the call after speaking to someone else..

[Buzzo]

Dominated United but means nothing if you can't get results. First off ref was a disgrace, sending off, soft peno and ignoring suarez peno shout even if he exaggerated and nobody seems to be mentioning rvp two footed lunge that went unpunished.... so many small decisions too.

It's incredible how badly halsey performed. Anyways its over nothing we can do. Thought Gerrard was outstanding. Johnson, Kelly and sterling were excellent... Bringing the predictably non existent Henderson on for him was baffling to me as he was giving evra a nightmare, took the punch out of our attack.

Borini worries me, clearly not a wide man but yet Rogers seems to play him there. Has good movement and works hard but he looks technically horrible and seems to have no composure. I thought we bought Borini to stay in the box and score goals?

I was glad to see suso on instead of him, looked miles a better player. Ah well worse start in over 100 years and someone clearly has put a hex on us!

Still think Rogers and Liverpool have been unlucky with decisions, performance s and injuries. But I suppose we just haven't taken our chances when we are on top of games.. Same old story.

[Eric Swindler]

I think our lack of depth in the striker department is being overstated. It will affect us over the course of the season, but it isn't why we're 2 out of 15 right now.

Oh yes it is. Same as last season. Playing well but not scoring anywhere near the goals that should reflect our dominance.