Mancs Post Match

[dww]

If I remember rightly that Everton one - which looks from that angle an out and out dive - was shown to have been a foul from another angle. Naturally that won't be on YouTube. I remember thinking at the time "that's embarrassing" and being relieved when the other angle showed he'd been caught.

I maintain he doesn't go round taking dives after no foul, like Welbeck, Young, Jones, Rooney et al, but he continually makes meals of fouls when there's no real need.

The ironic thing is now he probably does need to highlight the fact he's been fouled, as no ref gives him anything. In one game v Norwich last season (at home) he was kicked all over the place for 90 minutes and wasn't awarded a single foul against him. Not one.

I suspect that more often that if you looked for the Welbeck etc cases you could find an angle that would allow a person with a favourable mindset (or occasionally a fair/open one) to vindicate their tumbles. The fact is that Suarez like many other players makes too much of contact. The problem lies in the inconsistent reaction to this and the fact there is no coherent way in which players and referees are held to account for their mistakes in these situations.

[Shaggy]

Welbeck has taken two clear dives in the last week or so where there has been no evidence of any foul whatsoever, he has chosen to hurl himself to the floor. Likewise Jones's dive at Villa last season. He chucked himself to the floor with no-one near him.

[Shaggy]

Amazingly there's no internet footage of Phil Jones's dive of the century. Remarkable. Does Ferguson have someone monitoring the ****ing internet for him too?

Jones wins a free kick with one of the most ludicrous dives you'll see for a while

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/03/aston-villa-manchester-united

[Eric Swindler]

I'm a decent person and I've never really thought that about anyone, but I don't know him, I don't care for him, in fact I actively hate him. His disgusting influence is all over football in this country, he has a big hand in running it, he knows it, we all know it, so the game I've always loved will improve tenfold when he's out of the picture. Hopefully it won't be long. I know there'll be people who think that's disgraceful but I'll live with that. Hurry up, Ferguson.

I agree with almost all of that. The only bit i'd disagree with is the statement in bold.

[Shaggy]

In my list of United divers I forgot to mention Nani and Hernandez! That's half their team are proven divers, yet you've got hypocritical pricks like Ferguson and Ferdinand going round getting all sanctimonious about it. In fact just two weeks before Phil Jones's Dive of the Century, he'd given an interview so inflammatory - about Charlie Adam's so-called dive against them at Anfield - that even MUTV deemed it too inflammatory for broadcast. Hypocritical, cheating cunts.

[Buzzo]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF3QJvHApTI"]Ashley Young dive Vs Aston Villa - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF0-8RfxaJI&feature=fvwrel"]Disgusting Rooney dive vs Rangers - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA47ZTBnlyw"]PuNani dive Vs Liverpool (3) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miK7qyot6Kw"]Welbeck dive - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJz_LFsOacY"]Giggs dive - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe-6MXtOtM4"]Javier Hernandez "Cheaterito" dive Vs Blackburn (ManUre players surrounding referee) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJU7x7EiXI&feature=related"]Cristiano Ronaldo Dive Vs Chelsea (LOOK AT LAMPARD) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_STB5E6CUA"]Tom Daley - Dive 1 - Commonwealth Games Delhi 2010 - YouTube[/ame]

[Neil Young]

Secretly filmed footage of Man United training regimes.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_tYb0ws66E"]Dive, Dive: "The Submariners" (1967) - YouTube[/ame]

[Shaggy]

Ashley Young dive Vs Aston Villa - YouTube

Disgusting Rooney dive vs Rangers - YouTube

PuNani dive Vs Liverpool (3) - YouTube

Welbeck dive - YouTube

Giggs dive - YouTube

Javier Hernandez "Cheaterito" dive Vs Blackburn (ManUre players surrounding referee) - YouTube

Cristiano Ronaldo Dive Vs Chelsea (LOOK AT LAMPARD) - YouTube

Tom Daley - Dive 1 - Commonwealth Games Delhi 2010 - YouTube

Not even room for Berbatov's dive v us, or Rooney's catalogue of dives v Arsenal, and so on, and on, and on and on and on...

[dww]

Secretly filmed footage of Man United training regimes.

Dive, Dive: "The Submariners" (1967) - YouTube

[Buzzo]

Not even room for Berbatov's dive v us, or Rooney's catalogue of dives v Arsenal, and so on, and on, and on and on and on...

I was quite surprised to see Ryan Giggs there, but then I remembered he had ****ed his brothers wife meaning diving to win a pen shouldn't really provide his conscience with any issues at all

They are all really, really bad and blatant dives. They must definitely practice the one where you knock the ball past the keeper and go down, and they are all really good at it.

[Lecter]

A lot of those "dives" had contact even if only slight

The question becomes who instigated the contact and its clear that the forwards are dangling / leaving their foot in in the hope of getting contact

I really hate ****ing modern day football at times when I see this sort of stuff

[Shaggy]

A lot of those "dives" had contact even if only slight

The question becomes who instigated the contact and its clear that the forwards are dangling / leaving their foot in in the hope of getting contact

I really hate ****ing modern day football at times when I see this sort of stuff

For me that's every bit as bad as doing what Phil Jones does and hurling yourself to the floor when there's no-one near you. It's pure cheating but very hard to police in a fast-paced game.

All this bull**** cheating has been brought into even sharper focus since we saw such pure sport as we saw at the Olympics. Even other sport I've watched since...like Murray winning the US Open, bar the odd bad line call (which can be challenged), it is a true, pure and honest contest, and truly the best player wins.

I know everyone's on this bandwagon and it's become a bit of a cliché already, but football and all the ****in cheating sickens me.

[Buzzo]

For me that's every bit as bad as doing what Phil Jones does and hurling yourself to the floor when there's no-one near you. It's pure cheating but very hard to police in a fast-paced game.

All this bull**** cheating has been brought into even sharper focus since we saw such pure sport as we saw at the Olympics. Even other sport I've watched since...like Murray winning the US Open, bar the odd bad line call (which can be challenged), it is a true, pure and honest contest, and truly the best player wins.

I know everyone's on this bandwagon and it's become a bit of a cliché already, but football and all the ****in cheating sickens me.

This feeling has been building up in me for a few years, and I agree - the Olympics and Murray really highlighted it all.

I just don't see why we don't have some sort of challenge system in football. The same as Tennis and Cricket. Say three challenges the manager can make per match which go to Video ref. Then it is the Video refs call, and even if you disagree in the slightly debatable ones you just have to live with it (ths is how it happens with tries in Rugby, some are impossible to call, but the teams live with the video refs decision). Any instance where the forwards leg is left in should not be a pen, it is cheating every time.

How ****ing hard would that be to implement? Not hard at all
It would certainly discourage the diving, imagine having a dive like Youngs highlighted on a big screen during the game. He'd look a complete ****.

[Shaggy]

This feeling has been building up in me for a few years, and I agree - the Olympics and Murray really highlighted it all.

I just don't see why we don't have some sort of challenge system in football. The same as Tennis and Cricket. Say three challenges the manager can make per match which go to Video ref. Then it is the Video refs call, and even if you disagree in the slightly debatable ones you just have to live with it (ths is how it happens with tries in Rugby, some are impossible to call, but the teams live with the video refs decision). Any instance where the forwards leg is left in should not be a pen, it is cheating every time.

How ****ing hard would that be to implement? Not hard at all
It would certainly discourage the diving, imagine having a dive like Youngs highlighted on a big screen during the game. He'd look a complete ****.

I was saying the same to a mate only last weekend. I don't see any good reason why the 'challenge' system can't be introduced in football. I've seen the odd counter argument - and the same applies to goal-line technology - that it's not possible because they want football to be the same from grass roots level right to the very top. WTF? Why? Other sports don't concern themselves with that crap and professional football is already different to grass roots with things like officials being in contact with earpieces, fourth officials, the extra officials in European games etc.

[baitman]

need a "technology to sort out rule benders/breakers" thread