Daniel Sturridge

[EwarWoo]

another person could take that as he needs to grow a pair .. both opinions are equally valid and nobody needs to be a moron

A moron would say that

[Nicey]

Why can't people take mental injury as seriously as real injury. He's probably got to overcome that too.

Look I like the guy on every level .. and if he has a mental issue then I feel sorry for him and I wish him a full recovery .. but in all honesty .. he can do it at another club now .. we are not an Mental Health NGO and for me he does not have enough good will in the bank that we just write him a blank chq and say ... he can do what he wants we will always support him... we are fighting tooth and nail week in week out surrounded by sharks in the toughest football lg in the world. If he is mentally weak considering the amount of effort we have put into him trying to resolve the issue, sure we have one of the worlds leading sports psychologists at the club, we sent him to experts in the US for an entire season practically, its not like this is a new condition and its not like we as fans and as a club have not been supportive, we have, we have in spades. So I think its perfectly ok for some fans to feel a little bit fed up and quite frankly over the whole Daniel Sturridge project. You can feel that way whilst simultaneously liking the guy, respecting him as a man, a human being and as a footballer.

We need winners, we need fit players both mentally and physically and if they are not they have to go, its just that simple. Thats just my opinion ... people can have the opposite position and not feel the need to call them ****ing morons

[Nicey]

A moron would say that

only morons use popcorn eating smiley's .... and ..no .. thats all I have

[Roboklopp]

Yeah, stacking shelves or sitting in an office or whatever is exactly the same as being an athlete for one of the biggest sports teams on the planet.

At least anyone on here knows where to come now if they have an problems that require a doctor or a shrink, theres 10s on here!

No. No, Special Christopher it ain't. But I work a full working week and train my guts out 15 hours on top of that, then have to do all the other **** everyone else bar a few select do just to keep a home running around me. I'm no hero but I do what I have to like millions around the country.

& in answer to another point someone else made, you only have to check the depression thread to see exactly how seriously I take mental health issues - cos I've seen em with some of the people closest to me & have lived with them all my life. But just as for years I've had to pry myself out of bed & meet minimum standards of professionalism, so should someone on many multiples of my salary.

No one is calling studge a cunt, some of us just want to move on & for the team to grow. Shanks & Paisley would've been as ruthless. Stop bleating like mealy mouthed sheep & being so bombastic - Chris/Frodo/Chums, get off your ****ing high rocking horse for once & let people speak openly, this Superfan Thought Police **** is polarising, reductive, facile as **** & stifles the remnants of debate left in the football forums. Get the **** over yourselves.

[Roboklopp]

Look I like the guy on every level .. and if he has a mental issue then I feel sorry for him and I wish him a full recovery .. but in all honesty .. he can do it at another club now .. we are not an Mental Health NGO and for me he does not have enough good will in the bank that we just write him a blank chq and say ... he can do what he wants we will always support him... we are fighting tooth and nail week in week out surrounded by sharks in the toughest football lg in the world. If he is mentally weak considering the amount of effort we have put into him trying to resolve the issue, sure we have one of the worlds leading sports psychologists at the club, we sent him to experts in the US for an entire season practically, its not like this is a new condition and its not like we as fans and as a club have not been supportive, we have, we have in spades. So I think its perfectly ok for some fans to feel a little bit fed up and quite frankly over the whole Daniel Sturridge project. You can feel that way whilst simultaneously liking the guy, respecting him as a man, a human being and as a footballer.

We need winners, we need fit players both mentally and physically and if they are not they have to go, its just that simple. Thats just my opinion ... people can have the opposite position and not feel the need to call them ****ing morons

Very well put mate.

[Nicey]

No. No, Special Christopher it ain't. But I work a full working week and train my guts out 15 hours on top of that, then have to do all the other **** everyone else bar a few select do just to keep a home running around me. I'm no hero but I do what I have to like millions around the country.

& in answer to another point someone else made, you only have to check the depression thread to see exactly how seriously I take mental health issues - cos I've seen em with some of the people closest to me & have lived with them all my life. But just as for years I've had to pry myself out of bed & meet minimum standards of professionalism, so should someone on many multiples of my salary.

No one is calling studge a cunt, some of us just want to move on & for the team to grow. Shanks & Paisley would've been as ruthless. Stop bleating like mealy mouthed sheep & being so bombastic - Chris/Frodo/Chums, get off your ****ing high rocking horse for once & let people speak openly, this Superfan Thought Police **** is polarising, reductive, facile as **** & stifles the remnants of debate left in the football forums. Get the **** over yourselves.

[Harv]

Even Klopp's words seem to be taken out of context. Morons usually don't see context.

Go on tell us this context then ass bandit

[Hemingway]

Go on tell us this context then ass bandit

Not Fredo nor an ass bandit, but:

I cannot think about this like you because I am not that long here, but I understand why everybody's waiting. But we have to accept the situation, and the situation is that Daniel was very often injured in the last few months, and maybe years, so... It's normal that when you get back in training - and usually, if you're not that quality of Daniel, nobody would think about it after this short time to bring him back on the pitch. What you need in times like this is training, and your body has to learn to adapt to new intensity of training. And in this time you have to learn what is serious pain and what is only pain. And of course everybody wants him back on the pitch, but we all have to learn. That's what the situation yesterday. The training for him was intensive, how it should be, and then we had some new things to talk about, and so we had to make some assessment, and that's what we did. And now we can say it's not that serious, but it's not possible only to go on as before. We have always to react on a situation. That's completely normal after a long injury. And if you think about the whole maybe last year - made only these three games? Against Aston Villa, what I saw, with the two goals, and another two, in this season, right? And last season with the surgery and the hip and all this, so it's a really long period. So now we have to stay patient. I'm sorry to say. Sorry for you, sorry for me, sorry for him. But that's how the situation is.

I have my reading of that, but do with it what you will.

[Hemingway]

No. No, Special Christopher it ain't. But I work a full working week and train my guts out 15 hours on top of that, then have to do all the other **** everyone else bar a few select do just to keep a home running around me. I'm no hero but I do what I have to like millions around the country.

& in answer to another point someone else made, you only have to check the depression thread to see exactly how seriously I take mental health issues - cos I've seen em with some of the people closest to me & have lived with them all my life. But just as for years I've had to pry myself out of bed & meet minimum standards of professionalism, so should someone on many multiples of my salary.

No one is calling studge a cunt, some of us just want to move on & for the team to grow. Shanks & Paisley would've been as ruthless. Stop bleating like mealy mouthed sheep & being so bombastic - Chris/Frodo/Chums, get off your ****ing high rocking horse for once & let people speak openly, this Superfan Thought Police **** is polarising, reductive, facile as **** & stifles the remnants of debate left in the football forums. Get the **** over yourselves.

Dunno if I'm one of the ones being referenced since I made a similar point earlier, but I'll respond anyway. FWIW, I actually think this is thoughtful. But I want to point out that the only reason you can say no one's called him a cunt is because no one's used the word, because they've certainly expressed the sentiment. Quick sample: 'complete ****ing fanny', 'bottler', '****ing soft and spineless', 'wimp', 'we're not a mental health NGO', 'a prima donna who doesn't realize how lucky he is'. All of which seem pretty over the top to me.

As for the rest: wanting the team to move on and grow is all fine, but that's not what anyone's taken issue with. I don't think anyone's even taken issue with the possibility that there's a mental aspect to all this. It's the tenor and the certainty with which that's been stated that's the issue.

Effectively, we're playing psychologist from afar on someone we don't know. Even if you don't find that a little weird and distasteful, it's at least hilariously pointless - the whole thing is, for us, irrelevant and unknowable in the first place. This isn't like debating what Emre Can's best position is, or which of the U-18s has the best chance of making it, where we can just watch what happens on the pitch and come to a reasonable opinion based on a substantial amount of relevant information. We have no relevant information. We have virtually no insight into the situation at all, and people still have weirdly calcified opinions about it anyway.

We know: that Daniel's injured a lot, but that doesn't tell us the nature of the injuries; that a bunch of ex-pros have nebulously questioned his commitment (because ex-pros are always right about everything, of course - Stevie's account is the only one I trust, and it's hardly damning); and that Klopp said he needs to learn to manage pain, while also saying that this is completely normal after any long lay-off and that we need to be patient, which most people have ignored.

It seems to me a pretty big leap to determine - not simply suggest, but actually conclude - that he's mentally weak from that. It seems just as likely to me that he just has a lean body with biomechanics or skeletal/connective tissue issues that predispose him to injury. There certainly could be a mental aspect to his injuries, and suggesting as much is fair. In fact, I'd be surprised if he didn't have to learn how to trust his body again (if he'll ever be able to). But it's one thing to suggest the possibility of mental weakness. It's another to, based on really very little, assert it. And to then on that basis call him ****ing spineless.

There's every reason to have a debate about what to do with Sturridge, about if we need another striker - how to, in your words, move on and grow. What I don't understand is why we need to have all the petty and vindictive speculation into Sturridge's mental state to do so.

[Nicey]

Not Fredo nor an ass bandit, but:


I have my reading of that, but do with it what you will.

I hear what he is saying and I get we all need to be patient but I also read him sending a message to Daniel that he needs to play sometimes when he does not feel 100% right and that this is normal and Daniel needs to get his head around this ...

Am I right who knows ...but him saying that line about Pain is quite telling regardless of the context ... on football .. every single word is mostly strategically placed

[Nicey]

Dunno if I'm one of the ones being referenced since I made a similar point earlier, but I'll respond anyway. FWIW, I actually think this is thoughtful. But I want to point out that the only reason you can say no one's called him a cunt is because no one's used the word, because they've certainly expressed the sentiment. Quick sample: 'complete ****ing fanny', 'bottler', '****ing soft and spineless', 'wimp', 'we're not a mental health NGO', 'a prima donna who doesn't realize how lucky he is'. All of which seem pretty over the top to me.

As for the rest: wanting the team to move on and grow is all fine, but that's not what anyone's taken issue with. I don't think anyone's even taken issue with the possibility that there's a mental aspect to all this. It's the tenor and the certainty with which that's been stated that's the issue.

Effectively, we're playing psychologist from afar on someone we don't know. Even if you don't find that a little weird and distasteful, it's at least hilariously pointless - the whole thing is, for us, irrelevant and unknowable in the first place. This isn't like debating what Emre Can's best position is, or which of the U-18s has the best chance of making it, where we can just watch what happens on the pitch and come to a reasonable opinion based on a substantial amount of relevant information. We have no relevant information. We have virtually no insight into the situation at all, and people still have weirdly calcified opinions about it anyway.

We know: that Daniel's injured a lot, but that doesn't tell us the nature of the injuries; that a bunch of ex-pros have nebulously questioned his commitment (because ex-pros are always right about everything, of course - Stevie's account is the only one I trust, and it's hardly damning); and that Klopp said he needs to learn to manage pain, while also saying that this is completely normal after any long lay-off and that we need to be patient, which most people have ignored.

It seems to me a pretty big leap to determine - not simply suggest, but actually conclude - that he's mentally weak from that. It seems just as likely to me that he just has a lean body with biomechanics or skeletal/connective tissue issues that predispose him to injury. There certainly could be a mental aspect to his injuries, and suggesting as much is fair. In fact, I'd be surprised if he didn't have to learn how to trust his body again (if he'll ever be able to). But it's one thing to suggest the possibility of mental weakness. It's another to, based on really very little, assert it. And to then on that basis call him ****ing spineless.

There's every reason to have a debate about what to do with Sturridge, about if we need another striker - how to, in your words, move on and grow. What I don't understand is why we need to have all the petty and vindictive speculation into Sturridge's mental state to do so.

I take your points they are valid, but hey it is what it is. If Dan does have a mental block then we should try our very best to fix it, and help him with it, my point was, we have done just that, we hired one of the best sports psychologists in the world, he has had intensive one on one training away from the pressure of the English game. If the suggestion which is not a huge leap to make, is he is still having a mental block my line about us not being a NGO pertains to us having to draw a line under this at some point, because we are in the business of winning football games and not mental health recovery programs. I mean that with total respect to the lad. We simply cannot carry anyone ... City probably can .. Barca etc ... but we are down in the trenches with Spurs and Southampton trying to get back into the also rans let alone title contenders .. we can not afford for 1 of our top 5 players to be not fit for purpose. That really what it boils down to and at no stage have I ever said a bad word about the guy, I really like him as a player a man and a human being, but you know **** need to get done, goals needs to be scored, the world keeps on turning and our competitors keep getting stronger. I hope I am wrong .. I have consistently said a Fit Daniel Sturridge is not only the best striker in the lg but also right up there in the upper echelons of Top European Strikers

[Nicey]

all that said ... I think endless discussing it .. is not good for anyone so I thats my 10 cents and honestly wish the lad well and hope he puts all this behind him and becomes the LFC legend I think is in him to become if he can get things straight

[Chilts33]

Robokop = Common Sense! Well put Sir.

[Fredo]

No one is calling studge a cunt, some of us just want to move on & for the team to grow. Shanks & Paisley would've been as ruthless. Stop bleating like mealy mouthed sheep & being so bombastic - Chris/Frodo/Chums, get off your ****ing high rocking horse for once & let people speak openly, this Superfan Thought Police **** is polarising, reductive, facile as **** & stifles the remnants of debate left in the football forums. Get the **** over yourselves.

Who is mouthing off here, not me or Chris or chums. Certainly, the way you (and some others) are reacting to this does not help debating things in a constructive manner. Not calling him a cunt but calling him a "fanny" or a "wuss" is certainly the same thing to my eyes.

[Fredo]

"Stop bleating like a mealy mouthed sheep"

"Stop being so bombastic"

"Get off your ****ing high horse"

That's certainly not reductive to any discussion.