West Brom post match

[RichC]

[QUOTE=Baracus;2573931]I disagree with the soft in CM discussion. The majority of last year we had the same back four and Spearing and Adam in the middle, yet this season we have Lucas and Gerrard and have shipped in more goals. Its the Set up of the team and tactics.[/QUOTE]

[Shaggy]

I don't really believe Henderson - he's hardly gonna reveal warts and all what was said afterwards. I'd pretty worried if Rodgers really "didn't have much to say after"

[baitman]

We are a soft touch in CM and this causes us massive problems at the back. The CBs are exposed all too often and the fact our full backs also like to push on leaves us massively susceptible to counter attacks.

There is no doubt Lucas needs far more game time to get anywhere near his best again. But I still think he is a better option than Allen, with whom I have to be honest and say that I have been massively disappointed with.

It is depressing when I see how much money we have spent yet again on players who are showing that they are not good enough. Too early to judge? Maybe, but at the same time we praise players like Sturridge who have started in sensational style it is clear that we have several who are simply short of the quality a club like ours needs (in order to compete).

Borini and Allen cost a combined £26m. Unbelievable really. I think we will need some massive surgery again this summer and for the first time I have to be honest and say I am starting to have doubts about BR himself. I am just not sure that as a club we can afford to grow with this young Manager and suffer the inevtible mistakes he is going to make on his journey. This club is going to suffer in a manner that could be more damaging than we realise, and I would go so far to say that right now we do not even need a new stadium or stadium expansion. All our efforts should be concentrated on the team, and I honestly think an experienced DoF is an absolutel must to help BR this summer; I would even go so far to say that if he feels he cannot work under a DoF we should look at bringing a new Manager in.

you are reading my mind, mate
i know br has had to do some major clear outs [ongoing] but he really needs to get some better results to justify the faith placed in him by the owners. maybe for now they are content with the slashing of the wage bill..
we are not here to be a training ground for a new manager learning his trade.

if you owned a big company would you appoint a young, keen bloke to run things even if he isnt proven to bring the required results. we look like we have got a wobbly wheel. maybe the players are getting a little tired of the david brent school of management.

style of play...

[Leyton388]

Heard this morning that ancelotti wants to manage in the prem again and was linked with us.

[Mostar]

Exactly.

What good is outplaying Arsenal and City away if you then lose badly to Villa and West Brom at home?

Top teams grind victories even when they don't play well and we are still few good players away from the team that can do that.

It is quite difficult to accept the fact an inexperienced manager is learning on the job at Liverpool FC. It's easy with hindsight but we had Louis van Gaal waiting for the job, and I've said from the start to do what we did was an enormous punt. It still looks an enormous punt.

Tee - if you throw in Assaidi (remember him?) then that's £30m on him, Borini and Allen. At this stage, that looks really bad.

I don't think it is time to give up on any of them but it is interesting that all of them were subs yesterday especially as most of Kenny's "bad" buys have been starters as of late.

[peekay]

Top teams grind victories even when they don't play well and we are still few good players away from the team that can do that.

I agree but I think Brendan really needs a signature victory against a good quality opposition that offers a glimpse of what the future bodes - the equivalent of our win against Arsenal in Rafa's first season.

[peekay]

I don't really believe Henderson - he's hardly gonna reveal warts and all what was said afterwards. I'd pretty worried if Rodgers really "didn't have much to say after"

[peekay]

It is quite difficult to accept the fact an inexperienced manager is learning on the job at Liverpool FC. It's easy with hindsight but we had Louis van Gaal waiting for the job, and I've said from the start to do what we did was an enormous punt. It still looks an enormous punt.

Tee - if you throw in Assaidi (remember him?) then that's £30m on him, Borini and Allen. At this stage, that looks really bad.

I cannot see major changes over the summer. If we bring in someone like LVG as a DOF this summer, that would increase the pressure on Brendan tenfold. The players would read that as owners looking for an opportunity to fire Brendan at the first sign of trouble.

Barring a very horrendous collapse in the last 10 games, Brendan will be our manager next season. However I think the expectations will be high next season in terms of performance.

Unless the performance increase by a significant amount with clear signs of progress, I think the pressure is going to be too much for him.

[Exiled_red]

The thing that pisses me off about the Liverpool teams in recent times is they come out after poor results and say things like "it was a poor result we must do better" or "we need to put it behind us an move on". When in reality they need to learn from their mistakes, take some responsibility and make more of an effort to do something about in in the next games. They obviously aren't doing so or it wouldn't happen so often

[Exiled_red]

It is quite difficult to accept the fact an inexperienced manager is learning on the job at Liverpool FC. It's easy with hindsight but we had Louis van Gaal waiting for the job, and I've said from the start to do what we did was an enormous punt. It still looks an enormous punt.

Tee - if you throw in Assaidi (remember him?) then that's £30m on him, Borini and Allen. At this stage, that looks really bad.

It's not just Rodgers Think how much money we have wasted over the last 3 years by multiple managers

2010-11 signings
Shelvey - 1.7m
Jovanovic - Free
Cole - Free
Wilson £2m
Aurelio - Free
Poulsen - 4.5m
Jones - 2.3m
Meireles - 11.5m
Konchesky - 3.5m
Suarez - 22.5m
Carroll -35m

2011-12 signings
Henderson - 16m
Adam - 6.7m
Doni - Free
Downing - 18.5m
Enrique - 6m
Coates - 4.9m
Bellamy - Free

2012-13
Borini - 10.4m
Allen - 15m
Assaidi - 3m
Sahin - Loan
Yesil 1m
Sturridge 12m
Coutinho 8.5m

£185m spent on that lot (That's not to mention millions in wages). I think it would be difficult to argue against saying most of that money has been wasted.

The players in bold are the ones that are still here. 10 players from that list have been shipped out already (and I wouldn't be surprised to see another 4 or 5 of them moved on in the summer if someone would take them) which itself says alot about the players we've been signing.

[Mark79]

We've been in transition for four years

Longest 'transition period' ever.

For what it's worth, last night's starting XI contained no Rodgers signings - not one. All Kenny/Rafa players.

Reina - Rafa
Johnson - Rafa
Carragher - N/A
Agger - Rafa
Enrique - Kenny
Lucas - Rafa
Gerrard - N/A
Henderson - Kenny
Downing - Kenny
Shelvey - Rafa
Suarez - Kenny

Borini + Allen = £26m on the bench. Assaidi, nowhere to be seen.

Not sure it means much given the circumstances though.
Of his signings; 2 are injured, another is just coming back from a long term injury. 1 is off form, 1 has only been at the club a week and the other is allegedly not really his signing.

[red g]

[QUOTE=Exiled_red;2574195]It's not just Rodgers Think how much money we have wasted over the last 3 years by multiple managers

2010-11 signings
Shelvey - 1.7m
Jovanovic - Free
Cole - Free
Wilson £2m
Aurelio - Free
Poulsen - 4.5m
Jones - 2.3m
Meireles - 11.5m
Konchesky - 3.5m
Suarez - 22.5m
Carroll -35million

2011-12 signings
Henderson - 13m
Adam - 6.7m
Doni - Free
Downing - 18.5m
Enrique - 6m
Coates - 4.9m
Bellamy - Free

2012-13
Borini - 10.4m
Allen - 15m
Assaidi - 3m
Sahin - Loan
Yesil 1m
Sturridge 12m
Coutinho 8.5m

out of that waste probably 6 decent buys of which Merieles is on there as we turned a profit( although not after wages!) and Sturridge has been here 2mins!