Is it time the clock really started ticking?

[Tee]

Well? 23 years since our last league title we seem to be pretty blase about winning it again in the near future.

Clearly many players simply cannot cope with the burden of wearing the shirt let alone havinge the added pressure of thinking about Championship wins.

However, as I have said before we need to make this title our obsession.

The world needs to know, the rest of the football world and fans all around the world need to see us go on this quest to end this drought. It is a quest that has not begun IMO because the end goal in this regime is to get CL football regularly rather than all out annual assault on the title.

I appreciate this team needs some work and all the each step at a time stuff, but with the right 2 or 3 additions this Summer I see no reason why we cannot challenge next year.

So, basically I want there to be some reminder of how long it has been since we won the league and how every passing year without winning is more and more painful. This club was built to win trophies and the title was our bread and butter - we need to get that back but I just do not see that mentality even developing right now.

Maybe I am just rabbitting on but there will be some people (I hope) who genuinely understand what I am getting at. It must start from the top and FSG need to get that clock ticking and give BR every resource available to win the league. **** just going for the top 4, lets win this thing again.

[Muddled]

I don't think we can challenge for the title next year.

Whilst I love your enthusiasm, I'm not sure why you think everybody is blase about it? I think the club and FSG are setting up a model with a long term vision that has no short cuts - it will take time, but it certainly doesn't mean they forget as to the direction they - and we - want to go.

As for the 'mentality', that will come with time, it's not something that can be installed immediately, but some thing that grows as things are hammered home. Which is why I don't think we can challenge for the title next season.

[Tee]

You see I think the mentality can be instilled immedaitely if you have those type of players. We do not have enough of them, clearly.

[kev776]

I can't see us challenging for the title in the next "lots" of years. With private ownership and the unlimited funds this provides and our lack of CL participation the gap widens each year.

We used to have the Ace in the pack that many players growing up supported us or had a soft spot, this has now passed us by. Few young players remember us as champions.

Our only hope is that FFP actually means that and UEFA actually enforce the rules, this should level the playing fields. This added to good coaching a good scouting network and a good academy is our only hope of winning the title in the near and distant future.

[Alex]

I think we only really have 3 players with us that have the mentalility needed to win the league. Obviously I could be wrong. But Suarez, Gerrard and Pepe seem to be the only ones for me. Think we are a way off. I hate how long its been. I was 5 when we won it last and I only vaguely remember it.

I just remember the feeling I got in 2005. I want more of that.

[Muddled]

You see I think the mentality can be instilled immedaitely if you have those type of players. We do not have enough of them, clearly.

I think individually, you can have players that have the right mentality. As a unit, it will take time for them to develop trust in the system and their teammates.

What experience - from this season - can we call upon when we're two down with fifteen minutes to go? Where do players find faith in a system that is still new to them, that the above scenario can be turned around?

They need to have absolute faith that the way they play, that means working a ball from left to right and waiting for that opportune moment in the last five minutes of a game is better than finding Gerrard, who in turn finds Suarez and then crossing your fingers.

Without wanting to drag Rafa into this conversation, look at the way we started to turn draws into victories after three years of him hammering home his ideas. Without looking at the actual figures, I'm sure one season (perhaps 2008/09) we were the best in the league at scoring late on and turning games around.

It'll come, just not immediately in my opinion.

[Tee]

I can't see us challenging for the title in the next "lots" of years. With private ownership and the unlimited funds this provides and our lack of CL participation the gap widens each year.

We used to have the Ace in the pack that many players growing up supported us or had a soft spot, this has now passed us by. Few young players remember us as champions.

Our only hope is that FFP actually means that and UEFA actually enforce the rules, this should level the playing fields. This added to good coaching a good scouting network and a good academy is our only hope of winning the title in the near and distant future.

Spot on, which is why we need to go on this 'quest' and be savvy in the media to get the interest in the whole club going again. Youngsters will pick up on the magic of the club and the glory days of yesteryear and how we are striving to get there again. Just seems right now we are drifting along with an acceptance of our current situation. Well, and I hate to say it, but we need to do what Utd did in the 80s and which had such an effect on youngsters in that era who supported them. They built a momentum which culminated in tehm winning the tital again in 1992, after a 26 or 27 year gap. Well we need to get going if we are to match or eclipse that gap, but more importantly IMO get that momentum going!

[fah-q]

For me it's about players with the right mentality as well as talent.

Take the Roy Evans side of the late 90's, supremely talented players who lacked a certain mental toughness and will to win.

If you'd have added Peter Schmeichel and Roy Keane to that side, they'd have probably won the league during that time. Not just on their talent but their absolute sheer force of will.

[Muddled]

Spot on, which is why we need to go on this 'quest' and be savvy in the media to get the interest in the whole club going again. Youngsters will pick up on the magic of the club and the glory days of yesteryear and how we are striving to get there again. Just seems right now we are drifting along with an acceptance of our current situation. Well, and I hate to say it, but we need to do what Utd did in the 80s and which had such an effect on youngsters in that era who supported them. They built a momentum which culminated in tehm winning the tital again in 1992, after a 26 or 27 year gap. Well we need to get going if we are to match or eclipse that gap, but more importantly IMO get that momentum going!

I want to understand why you think we are drifting along with an acceptance of out situation?

What activities of FSG, make you think they are happy with our current situation? They've sacked two managers and financially backed two to try and create a platform to build success. Whilst we do not know if this will work, I don't think they're just happy to plod along.

[Muddled]

Take the Roy Evans side of the late 90's, supremely talented players who lacked a certain mental toughness and will to win.

If you'd have added Peter Schmeichel and Roy Keane to that side

... and an entirely new back three.

[Tee]

I want to understand why you think we are drifting along with an acceptance of out situation?

What activities of FSG, make you think they are happy with our current situation? They've sacked two managers and financially backed two to try and create a platform to build success. Whilst we do not know if this will work, I don't think they're just happy to plod along.

There has definitely been a change since Rafa left. I can feel it and I know FSG are not at fault but as I have said before there just seems to be an acceptance that the league is out of reach, period. I think the sheer failures of several transfer windows has put paid to those aspirations for now tbh, again not FSG's fault.

We are moving forward but it just seems that others are moving quicker and more effectively. Like I said, I hope we can bring in the 2 or 3 players needed to push us up into the title challenging position, which is possible IMO.

[Muddled]

There has definitely been a change since Rafa left. I can feel it and I know FSG are not at fault but as I have said before there just seems to be an acceptance that the league is out of reach, period. I think the sheer failures of several transfer windows has put paid to those aspirations for now tbh, again not FSG's fault.

We are moving forward but it just seems that others are moving quicker and more effectively. Like I said, I hope we can bring in the 2 or 3 players needed to push us up into the title challenging position, which is possible IMO.

Who is moving quicker?

If you think two or three players are all that is needed to challenge for the title, isn't two years under Rodgers quick?

[Arn]

We must get back to being Liverpool again, the special club.

Get in players that played for us in the boardroom just like Bayern Munich for example.

You know that I have said that I believe that Rodgers isn't safe. The main reason being that I don't trust FSG at all making the right decision. Rodgers should stay but we have owners that don't know the game.

That is a big problem.

If we end up miles behind a CL place then Rodgers could be sacked. Kenny got sacked because of that reason and FSG said that they had no choice than to start all over again even that a lot of work had been put in.

Get in the right people to make the key football decisions.

[Tee]

Who is moving quicker?

If you think two or three players are all that is needed to challenge for the title, isn't two years under Rodgers quick?

Spuds, City obviously, even Utd IMO.

I don't think BR will sign the right 2 or 3 players we need to win the league. So I do not expect our situation to change for a while yet, although I do expect us to push the top 4 a lot closer next season it would not surprise me to see us remain as inconsistent.

[Tee]

We must get back to being Liverpool again, the special club.

Get in players that played for us in the boardroom just like Bayern Munich for example.

You know that I have said that I believe that Rodgers isn't safe. The main reason being that I don't trust FSG at all making the right decision. Rodgers should stay but we have owners that don't know the game.

That is a big problem.

If we end up miles behind a CL place then Rodgers could be sacked. Kenny got sacked because of that reason and FSG said that they had no choice than to start all over again even that a lot of work had been put in.

Get in the right people to make the key football decisions.

Can't argue with any of that.