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  • Venton
    Paisley
    • Sep 2006
    • 15572

    #2236
    I think a while out of the spotlight for Mignolet would do him the world of good. The pressure of being number 1 is clearly too much for him. I'd have him as number 2. Question is still, who is number 1? I'm not sure putting Ward in front of a brittle back line will help his development right now.
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    • Maxiedge
      Shankly
      • Jun 2007
      • 7769

      #2237
      Originally posted by Venton
      I think a while out of the spotlight for Mignolet would do him the world of good. The pressure of being number 1 is clearly too much for him. I'd have him as number 2. Question is still, who is number 1? I'm not sure putting Ward in front of a brittle back line will help his development right now.
      He was dropped for a month weren't he, by Rodgers? Didn't do much good...

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      • Nicey
        Paisley
        • Nov 2006
        • 21028

        #2238
        He needs to be gone .. he just needs to be gone ...
        Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
        #****CITY

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        • dww
          humourless curmudgeon
          • Jul 2006
          • 29926

          #2239
          Originally posted by Maxiedge
          He was dropped for a month weren't he, by Rodgers? Didn't do much good...
          He did well when he came back in, temporarily.
          "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
          -- William Blake

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          • Maxiedge
            Shankly
            • Jun 2007
            • 7769

            #2240
            You see keepers like K. Schmeichel and Gomes having great seasons but I honestly believe they would be just as bad as Mignolet if we signed them. Gomes at Spurs is a good example.

            There's much more expectation at a club like Liverpool and the level of concentration probably needs to be higher as you can go 60 minutes without having to make a save.

            It's been septic of our transfer policy of signing intermediate level footballers who do well at their respective levels but can't make the step up.

            I always said it, but if we're signing players from lower clubs, theynedd to be exceptional and Mignolet for sure was not exceptional at Sunderland.

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            • Maxiedge
              Shankly
              • Jun 2007
              • 7769

              #2241
              Originally posted by dww
              He did well when he came back in, temporarily.
              He was okayyyyyy...ish.

              I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here but I hope you're not in any way advocating that he has the potential to be brilliant and that it's the pressure that's getting to him.

              He's a poor* footballer, it's clear as day.

              *by poor, I mean thick. He's just proper thick, isn't he? Just bad decision after bad decision. A proper detriment to the team.
              Last edited by Maxiedge; 08-02-16, 03:23 PM.

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              • danperkins
                Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
                • May 2010
                • 50408

                #2242
                There does seem to be a lot of very talented young goalkeepers out there especially in Germany & Italy. Perin seems to be one that is attracting a hell of alot of attention & a young lad Scuffet ..whom i've never seen but some Italian lad was talking about him the other week... said big talk of him over there.

                Then there's the German lads in Leno & Stegen. Forster & Butland do look like good keepers aswell. The difference a top GK makes to a team is absolutely ridiculous. Watching De Gea bailing United out time and time again is so annoying, but thats the difference a world class GK can make.

                What we have at the moment is an average GK, not **** but bang average with a weak mentality. When your last line of defence is somebody that is easily flustered and has clear confidence issues... you're in the ****. Our CB's have been poor but you can be guaranteed that this guy has got something to do with it IMO.

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                • Nicey
                  Paisley
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 21028

                  #2243
                  Originally posted by danperkins
                  There does seem to be a lot of very talented young goalkeepers out there especially in Germany & Italy. Perin seems to be one that is attracting a hell of alot of attention & a young lad Scuffet ..whom i've never seen but some Italian lad was talking about him the other week... said big talk of him over there.

                  Then there's the German lads in Leno & Stegen. Forster & Butland do look like good keepers aswell. The difference a top GK makes to a team is absolutely ridiculous. Watching De Gea bailing United out time and time again is so annoying, but thats the difference a world class GK can make.

                  What we have at the moment is an average GK, not **** but bang average with a weak mentality. When your last line of defence is somebody that is easily flustered and has clear confidence issues... you're in the ****. Our CB's have been poor but you can be guaranteed that this guy has got something to do with it IMO.
                  When we have to suffer quite the opposite
                  Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
                  #****CITY

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                  • danperkins
                    Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
                    • May 2010
                    • 50408

                    #2244
                    Originally posted by Nicey
                    When we have to suffer quite the opposite
                    And then some

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                    • Rich
                      Est1892's Fire Warden
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 34417

                      #2245
                      Goalkeeper is the one position I'd be inclined to see us go for a solid old pro.
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                      • dww
                        humourless curmudgeon
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 29926

                        #2246
                        Originally posted by Maxiedge
                        He was okayyyyyy...ish.

                        I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here but I hope you're not in any way advocating that he has the potential to be brilliant and that it's the pressure that's getting to him.

                        He's a poor* footballer, it's clear as day.

                        *by poor, I mean thick. He's just proper thick, isn't he? Just bad decision after bad decision. A proper detriment to the team.
                        Venton suggested a break would do him good. You said it didn't last tie. I suggested that it did. I made no comment about his overall ability.

                        I think he's a decent keeper who isn't suited to a top side or a team which concedes few chances (and he has a weakness with crosses). As a backup I think he'd be fine. As a first choice he has proven to not be up to it.
                        "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                        -- William Blake

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                        • dww
                          humourless curmudgeon
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 29926

                          #2247
                          Originally posted by Rich
                          Goalkeeper is the one position I'd be inclined to see us go for a solid old pro.
                          I'd be happy for us to go with an Ospina rather than a Cech (on the basis I don't see any keepers of the latters quality on the market), but I don't think we should be using age/experience as a big factor in our decision.
                          "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                          -- William Blake

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                          • Maxiedge
                            Shankly
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 7769

                            #2248
                            Originally posted by dww
                            Venton suggested a break would do him good. You said it didn't last tie. I suggested that it did. I made no comment about his overall ability.

                            I think he's a decent keeper who isn't suited to a top side or a team which concedes few chances (and he has a weakness with crosses). As a backup I think he'd be fine. As a first choice he has proven to not be up to it.
                            I believe Venton was suggesting some time out of the spotlight would help him clear his head and he would then become a decent keeper. I was pointing out that it's been tried and tested and, 4 months later, he's even worse. So basically, his mistakes are hereditary.

                            Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping but this guy is a sore point for me at the moment as I think we've wasted two years keeping him between the sticks.

                            I don't think anyone here has rated him for a long time. What crazy situation is that to be in for 2 years???....when your own fans don't rate your keeper ( besides Kenneth).

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                            • Venton
                              Paisley
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 15572

                              #2249
                              Originally posted by Maxiedge
                              I believe Venton was suggesting some time out of the spotlight would help him clear his head and he would then become a decent keeper. I was pointing out that it's been tried and tested and, 4 months later, he's even worse. So basically, his mistakes are hereditary.

                              Sorry if it seemed like I was snapping but this guy is a sore point for me at the moment as I think we've wasted two years keeping him between the sticks.

                              I don't think anyone here has rated him for a long time. What crazy situation is that to be in for 2 years???....when your own fans don't rate your keeper ( besides Kenneth).
                              I was thinking that being out of the spotlight might make him a decent number 2, coming in every now and again to cover cup game or injuries. I wouldn't make him a long term number 1 again, no way José.
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                              • Tribute
                                Paisley
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 10150

                                #2250
                                If the consensus is that Mig is gone in summer - hopefully Fat Sam will bring him back to Sunderland and think he's 'a snip' at £10m with 4.5 years of his contract remaining..

                                However...

                                I still have a nagging doubt that whoever we bring in as No1 we'll somehow turn him into a bag of spanners within the first 10 games of next season. The keeper could be a 'worldie' somewhere else and John Achterburg will turn him into a complete donut.

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