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    The 'Rodgers' Project is coming along nicely, although it will require a bit of luck to push us over the edge.

    Like Montpellier and Dortmund initially, they had one blistering season, although the latter continued to build and win titles thereafter.

    What Rodgers is trying to achieve is what many clubs would ideally like to do. They invest in youth, use youth, award wages within a performance-based framework, and these players are quick, technical players with excellent use of the ball, either in a way which uses angles (Coutinho) or via direct running and dribbling (Sturridge and Allen when he was at Swansea). However, investing in youth means patience and time to not only train these players to fit your tactical framework, but also it means that you have to shift out the deadwood. What Rodgers has managed to do is 'rinse' (his term) every last drop out of the likes of Downing, Enrique and Henderson, players once considered deadwood. Although I imagine Downingand Enrique will be sold by the end of next summer, Rodgers has used his resources well to get them to fit into his system for the time being, until he replaces them with players able to fit his model of play.

    The 'Rodgers' project is gradual progress. He talked about doing things quicker here.
    Brendan Rodgers
    'When I went in to Swansea I knew very well I could still work with the same philosophy and identity but I would have to get to the end point quicker.

    'That allowed me to round off everything I do and how I work with players and it brought me success at Swansea.
    'I probably became more clinical after that (at Reading). I went in there looking to change things too quickly.
    And he talks about 'rinsing' here.
    I am not a magician but I will be able to improve players and that is my work. If I look at the first six months I believe there has been improvements in a lot of the players. I will rinse everything that I possibly can out of them, but the bottom line is about talent. If you don’t initially have that then it can be difficult.

    “We will get talents and we will try and maximise what we can out of players. You look at Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing and Jose Enrique since the start of the season and we have added value back to them. Absolutely.
    So with this in mind, I am supremely confident that Rodgers is able to manage his resources effectively, to 'rinse' everything he can from players he'd rather not have, and to get to his destination as quickly as he can. Aspas and Luis Alberto are proof of fast, technical players who play either direct (IA) or silky (LA).
    Toure is an astute signing to add experience, but also reasonable footballing qualities that fit into his model. Even Jamie Carragher passed the ball continually last season, so this is again Rodgers being effective in his resourcefulness.

    I take great encouragement in the domination we had in the second half against Man Utd at Old Trafford, Arsenal at the Emirates in a controlled performance, Chelsea home and away, and the way we began to look clinical once Sturridge and Coutinho slotted into the team in the second half of the season. He altered our tactics from a 4-3-3 passing side into a 4-2-3-1 side that focused on moving the ball up the pitch as quick as possible in a direct manner. This is similar to Benitez, except he used longer passes from deep ala Carragher, and Agger pushing up from defence on occasion. Rodgers uses short, quicker passes within smaller spaces on the pitch.

    Finally, FSG have done well to back him so far, and after the debacle of last summer, it seems that Ayre and FSG have bucked their ideas up to ensure a better summer thus far. I imagine there is great difficulty in attracting marquee signings, and that is purely down to our decline since Gillett and Hicks in the summer of 2009, and Hodgson thereafter.

    Rodgers is the first manager since Benitez of whom I have faith can build a team, change things when they're not going well, and inspire a team.
    Last edited by Phoenix07; 01-08-13, 07:57 PM.

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      Where does Costa fit into all of this ??

      Is Costa the new Lewandowski.....eh no.

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        Originally posted by dom9 View Post
        Huh, my only point is against the endless repetition and thread derailment we're subjected to.
        If it bothers you so much why aren't you also rallying against the endless repetition and thread derailment of certain posters with animal piccies?

        Or are people only allowed to constantly repeat themselves and derail thread in ways you deem acceptable?

        Do you have a list of what is and isn't acceptable?

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          So it's safe to go back to the Suarez thread & I just have to ignore this one. Noted.
          Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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            Originally posted by EwarWoo View Post
            If it bothers you so much why aren't you also rallying against the endless repetition and thread derailment of certain posters with animal piccies?

            Or are people only allowed to constantly repeat themselves and derail thread in ways you deem acceptable?

            Do you have a list of what is and isn't acceptable?
            Well, firstly I'm not the only person to say that the repetition of the same old stuff across umpteen threads day in day out is tedious. In fact, I mentioned it in response to a mod's comments of the same. And the conversation escalated. But yes, I find it tedious. It's an opinion, and one that I'm expressing. It's not a personal attack on anyone however, although some people can't seem to tell the difference.

            And if you don't like animal pictures, you're more than entitled to whinge about that. Fill your boots.
            Oh I don't know.

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              Originally posted by dom9 View Post
              Well, firstly I'm not the only person to say that the repetition of the same old stuff across umpteen threads day in day out is tedious. In fact, I mentioned it in response to a mod's comments of the same. And the conversation escalated. But yes, I find it tedious. It's an opinion, and one that I'm expressing. It's not a personal attack on anyone however, although some people can't seem to tell the difference.

              And if you don't like animal pictures, you're more than entitled to whinge about that. Fill your boots.
              It's a public discussion forum. As long as it's within the rules people are entitled to post anything and everything they like, wherever they like, as often as they like.

              As an adult you have the options to discuss rationally or to ignore.

              What good would whinging about it do?

              i.e., I ignore the animal pictures, and I'm now trying to discuss ratinonally why you feel the need to attack Arn yet let other people go for repetetively derailing threads.

              I don't think it's the repetition or derailment that worries you, it comes across as personal and it seems unhealthier than Arns posting.

              Arn is a complete and utter nut job. No question. But he's honest and he adds colour to the place. So people want to drive him out for not conforming. It would make the place less interesting.

              Instead of driving out Arn we should fetch back Nicey and have 2 interesting and colourful posters

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                Originally posted by EwarWoo View Post
                It's a public discussion forum. As long as it's within the rules people are entitled to post anything and everything they like, wherever they like, as often as they like.

                As an adult you have the options to discuss rationally or to ignore.

                What good would whinging about it do?

                i.e., I ignore the animal pictures, and I'm now trying to discuss ratinonally why you feel the need to attack Arn yet let other people go for making repetetively derailing threads.

                I don't think it's the repetition or derailment that worries you, it comes across as personal and it seems unhealthier than Arns posting.

                Arn is a complete and utter nut job. No question. But he's honest and he adds colour to the place. So people want to drive him out for not conforming. It would make the place less interesting.

                Instead of driving out Arn we should fetch back Nicey and have 2 interesting and colourful posters
                Read what I originally posted. I've not attacked Arn personally and I'm not driving Arn or anyone else out. Nor do I think I've been irrational. Feel free to prove me wrong.

                It's a forum to voice opinions and I've voiced mine.

                It really shouldn't be this difficult for anyone to understand.
                Oh I don't know.

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                  Originally posted by EwarWoo View Post
                  Instead of driving out Arn we should fetch back Nicey and have 2 interesting and colourful posters
                  maybe they could have their own private section and fight to the death. maybe pay per view
                  removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                  too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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                    Originally posted by Phoenix07 View Post
                    The 'Rodgers' Project is coming along nicely, although it will require a bit of luck to push us over the edge.

                    Like Montpellier and Dortmund initially, they had one blistering season, although the latter continued to build and win titles thereafter.

                    What Rodgers is trying to achieve is what many clubs would ideally like to do. They invest in youth, use youth, award wages within a performance-based framework, and these players are quick, technical players with excellent use of the ball, either in a way which uses angles (Coutinho) or via direct running and dribbling (Sturridge and Allen when he was at Swansea). However, investing in youth means patience and time to not only train these players to fit your tactical framework, but also it means that you have to shift out the deadwood. What Rodgers has managed to do is 'rinse' (his term) every last drop out of the likes of Downing, Enrique and Henderson, players once considered deadwood. Although I imagine Downingand Enrique will be sold by the end of next summer, Rodgers has used his resources well to get them to fit into his system for the time being, until he replaces them with players able to fit his model of play.

                    The 'Rodgers' project is gradual progress. He talked about doing things quicker here.


                    And he talks about 'rinsing' here.


                    So with this in mind, I am supremely confident that Rodgers is able to manage his resources effectively, to 'rinse' everything he can from players he'd rather not have, and to get to his destination as quickly as he can. Aspas and Luis Alberto are proof of fast, technical players who play either direct (IA) or silky (LA).
                    Toure is an astute signing to add experience, but also reasonable footballing qualities that fit into his model. Even Jamie Carragher passed the ball continually last season, so this is again Rodgers being effective in his resourcefulness.

                    I take great encouragement in the domination we had in the second half against Man Utd at Old Trafford, Arsenal at the Emirates in a controlled performance, Chelsea home and away, and the way we began to look clinical once Sturridge and Coutinho slotted into the team in the second half of the season. He altered our tactics from a 4-3-3 passing side into a 4-2-3-1 side that focused on moving the ball up the pitch as quick as possible in a direct manner. This is similar to Benitez, except he used longer passes from deep ala Carragher, and Agger pushing up from defence on occasion. Rodgers uses short, quicker passes within smaller spaces on the pitch.

                    Finally, FSG have done well to back him so far, and after the debacle of last summer, it seems that Ayre and FSG have bucked their ideas up to ensure a better summer thus far. I imagine there is great difficulty in attracting marquee signings, and that is purely down to our decline since Gillett and Hicks in the summer of 2009, and Hodgson thereafter.

                    Rodgers is the first manager since Benitez of whom I have faith can build a team, change things when they're not going well, and inspire a team.
                    This reflects my thoughts pretty accurately. Good post mate

                    Was muß, das muß.

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                      Brilliant post Phoenix.

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                        Originally posted by EwarWoo View Post
                        It's a public discussion forum. As long as it's within the rules people are entitled to post anything and everything they like, wherever they like, as often as they like.

                        As an adult you have the options to discuss rationally or to ignore.

                        What good would whinging about it do?

                        i.e., I ignore the animal pictures, and I'm now trying to discuss ratinonally why you feel the need to attack Arn yet let other people go for repetetively derailing threads.

                        I don't think it's the repetition or derailment that worries you, it comes across as personal and it seems unhealthier than Arns posting.

                        Arn is a complete and utter nut job. No question. But he's honest and he adds colour to the place. So people want to drive him out for not conforming. It would make the place less interesting.

                        Instead of driving out Arn we should fetch back Nicey and have 2 interesting and colourful posters
                        You say colourful, I say monotonous

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                          Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                          That's not true - he was sacked because unfortunately he wasted a truckload of money on dross and led us to an 8th place finish and a paltry 52 points. Sad but true.
                          I think you are forgetting the mess the squad was in after Hodgson

                          True the team wasn't performing well and the 8 match ban and the furore surronding it certainly didn't help but I don't think he was given a fair crack at it and was let go too soon.

                          The truckload of waste was soley on Carroll, I can't defend that apparent moment of madness but Saurez was an inspired signing and Downing and Henderson are proving to be decent purchases even though Downing in particular gets slated whatever he does.

                          And reaching two cup finals should not be dismissed as just a cup run, tell that to the Gooners whose top 4 team who haven't won anything for years.

                          I don't think Kenny gets the respect he deserves from that very difficult period in our history.

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                            Thought this was interesting, premier league goals for and against in 2013...

                            Liverpool----For 40----Against 17
                            City---------For 38----Against 15
                            United------For 36----Against 15
                            Chelsea-----For 36----Against 21
                            Arsenal-----For 33----Against 16
                            Spurs-------For 30----Against 20

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                              We did have some big wins, and some very meek performances, hence the fact it was not translated better into points. There were not many ground out one nils.
                              Oh I don't know.

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                                Originally posted by Fan65 View Post
                                I think you are forgetting the mess the squad was in after Hodgson

                                True the team wasn't performing well and the 8 match ban and the furore surronding it certainly didn't help but I don't think he was given a fair crack at it and was let go too soon.

                                The truckload of waste was soley on Carroll, I can't defend that apparent moment of madness but Saurez was an inspired signing and Downing and Henderson are proving to be decent purchases even though Downing in particular gets slated whatever he does.

                                And reaching two cup finals should not be dismissed as just a cup run, tell that to the Gooners whose top 4 team who haven't won anything for years.

                                I don't think Kenny gets the respect he deserves from that very difficult period in our history.
                                It wasn't so much the players he signed it was the amount that he signed them for.
                                The times they are a changin'.

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