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    #16
    Youth players at Liverpool were today stunned to be told that Academy head coach Rodolfo Borrell has been sacked, along with director Frank McParland, in what appears to be a strengthening of Brendan Rodgers’ position at the club.


    Borrell, who was appointed in 2009 towards the Rafael Benitez era, is held in huge esteem by the Academy players, many of whom consider him to be a supremely good coach. McParland was also respected within the Kirkby training base as the individual who would enforce discipline when required.

    But the two men’s departures after four years at the club, seems to have stemmed from their doubts about some aspects of the academy’s future direction, as it develops under Rodgers. Rodgers has influenced appointments to the Academy in the past six months, with Neil Critchley arriving from Crewe Alexandra to run the under-18s, after Steve Cooper’s contract was not renewed at the end of last season.

    The deepening sense of division about the future direction led Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre to call McParland and Borrell into his office yesterday and tell them they were to be dismissed. The vacuum the decision creates potentially delivers more control to Rodgers’ to shape the culture and personnel of the Academy, which delivered no fewer than seven youngsters to their first team debuts last season. But that raises the question of how much control the manager actually ought to have over that side of the club.

    Benitez famously sought to assume control of the academy, amid his own frustrations about its capacity to deliver first team players. But handing that type of control to the manager creates a problem about continuity if he then leaves. Rodgers’ was unwilling to take on the Liverpool job under a director of football, whose role would have been to provide a bridge between first team and Academy.

    Benitez ascribes huge value to the coaching role Borrell has played at Kirkby and is also a huge enthusiast for McParland, who has remained in contact with the Spaniard since his departure from Anfield. Andre Wisdom, one of those who graduated from the Academy to the first team last season, told The Independent last season that Borrell was his mentor and that the Spaniard’s low profile belied his huge role. He exhorted Wisdom, Conor Coady, Suso, Raheem Sterling and others to move the ball fast when they could, but to play a different, more physical way when required. Borrell was the one who "turned me from a boy to a man", Wisdom said.

    The latest departures are the latest in a history of internal strife concerning the Academy. Benitez and Gerard Houllier were both at odds with former director Steve Heighway, concerning who should have control over youth football at the club. Heighway left in 2007.










    If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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      #17
      If Rodgers' influence was to bring Critchley from Crewe then its already one good decision. More to come? We all know how hot Crewe's youth development is compared to the rest of the country.

      Benitez did the right thing bringing Borrell and Segura. Then things got stale as Borrell moved away from his primary role. Now I think Rodgers is doing the right thing.
      One tit for another.

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        #18
        Originally posted by RedReet View Post
        Youth players at Liverpool were today stunned to be told that Academy head coach Rodolfo Borrell has been sacked, along with director Frank McParland, in what appears to be a strengthening of Brendan Rodgers’ position at the club.


        Borrell, who was appointed in 2009 towards the Rafael Benitez era, is held in huge esteem by the Academy players, many of whom consider him to be a supremely good coach. McParland was also respected within the Kirkby training base as the individual who would enforce discipline when required.

        But the two men’s departures after four years at the club, seems to have stemmed from their doubts about some aspects of the academy’s future direction, as it develops under Rodgers. Rodgers has influenced appointments to the Academy in the past six months, with Neil Critchley arriving from Crewe Alexandra to run the under-18s, after Steve Cooper’s contract was not renewed at the end of last season.

        The deepening sense of division about the future direction led Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre to call McParland and Borrell into his office yesterday and tell them they were to be dismissed. The vacuum the decision creates potentially delivers more control to Rodgers’ to shape the culture and personnel of the Academy, which delivered no fewer than seven youngsters to their first team debuts last season. But that raises the question of how much control the manager actually ought to have over that side of the club.

        Benitez famously sought to assume control of the academy, amid his own frustrations about its capacity to deliver first team players. But handing that type of control to the manager creates a problem about continuity if he then leaves. Rodgers’ was unwilling to take on the Liverpool job under a director of football, whose role would have been to provide a bridge between first team and Academy.

        Benitez ascribes huge value to the coaching role Borrell has played at Kirkby and is also a huge enthusiast for McParland, who has remained in contact with the Spaniard since his departure from Anfield. Andre Wisdom, one of those who graduated from the Academy to the first team last season, told The Independent last season that Borrell was his mentor and that the Spaniard’s low profile belied his huge role. He exhorted Wisdom, Conor Coady, Suso, Raheem Sterling and others to move the ball fast when they could, but to play a different, more physical way when required. Borrell was the one who "turned me from a boy to a man", Wisdom said.

        The latest departures are the latest in a history of internal strife concerning the Academy. Benitez and Gerard Houllier were both at odds with former director Steve Heighway, concerning who should have control over youth football at the club. Heighway left in 2007.










        http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...d-8954009.html

        Love that bit I've highlighted, how many young players in the academy have been coached by someone else to know that Borrell is 'supremely good'
        The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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          #19
          We should raid Southampton's youth coaches. They have a few young gems in their first team in Clyne, Shaw and Ward-Prowse. Id have Shaw and Clyne hovering around our first team at the moment, both good young full backs.
          Originally posted by fah-q
          Didn't someone once see Philip Schofield ****ting into a crisp packet?

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            #20
            I'd take issue with anyone who classed our academy as successful. There is little evidence to back that up at all. For the amount of money pumped into it, we've not had a young player come into the 1st team and establish themselves since Steven Gerrard all those years ago.

            I said in the twitter thread that we can compare and say no other club has, but when our only way of competing is to buy promising youngsters and develop them rather than go out and buy 2 or 3 £20m+ players, then our Academy and Youth set-up needs to be a lot better than our rivals, rather than on a par at being crap with them. If that's the road that the owners are going down, they are well within their rights to sack Borrell and McParland and look into how that part of the club is operating

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              #21
              Originally posted by Sarb View Post
              I'd take issue with anyone who classed our academy as successful. There is little evidence to back that up at all. For the amount of money pumped into it, we've not had a young player come into the 1st team and establish themselves since Steven Gerrard all those years ago.

              I said in the twitter thread that we can compare and say no other club has, but when our only way of competing is to buy promising youngsters and develop them rather than go out and buy 2 or 3 £20m+ players, then our Academy and Youth set-up needs to be a lot better than our rivals, rather than on a par at being crap with them. If that's the road that the owners are going down, they are well within their rights to sack Borrell and McParland and look into how that part of the club is operating
              its not that easy. rafa hired borrell and segura to put a proper structure into place and you effectively have to write off half the current cycle - probably all teams over under 10's - probably more.

              its going to take a full cycle to see the benefits of that so realistically from when segura and borrell came in - you would have to wait approx 10 years to see the fruits of that plan.

              from the first set of under 6's in the new plan right through to the under 18's. thats 10-12 years.

              Something doesnt look right. It can be argued as the independent article that BR's position has been strengthened by virtue of the fact that all his guys control the club from top to bottom. That means in the event he's under pressure from bad results, the owners have to weigh up much more than just the first team when it comes to evaluating BR.

              we have just handed over the keys to the kingdom.
              Last edited by el matador; 21-11-13, 01:24 PM.
              [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                #22
                Originally posted by RedReet View Post
                All our best talent is still very young though and I think a lot of people expect too much too soon. When you compare our current crop of young players to about 6 years ago, I think you'll find a massive improvement in quality and even if most of them don't go on to play regular first team football for us, I'm pretty we'll see a much bigger return in sales than those before them.

                We pretty much do play similar in the reserves, but IMO the U-21's played better football until this season.
                Clearly they've been relieved of their duties for something which is most likely to be that they've not hit the targets set for the academy, if that's the case then I am in full agreement of this taking place.

                There are some decent kids at the moment and we need to ensure that they do reach the next level, if this means a change in management of them then so be it.

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                  #23
                  A bold decision, for the academy to be successful in the long-term i don't think it should keep happening that each manager changes things purely because he wants to. Fair enough if there is a valid reason but i think its always hard to know how much of it is down to the coaches, how much to the players themselves and how much is down to sheer dumb luck.

                  How a player is treated when they come into the 1st team or the context they come into it are also huge factors in whether they make it or not. Imo i actually think its best for youngsters to develop in lower leagues or at least somewhere where they are part of a first team and getting regular match time.
                  Y.N.W.A!!!!!!

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                    #24
                    Michael Sweeting ‏@M_Sweeting 57s
                    Apparently there will be an announcement about Borrell soon (not from LFC) about his new job which is expected to be in the USA.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Bender View Post
                      Michael Sweeting ‏@M_Sweeting 57s
                      Apparently there will be an announcement about Borrell soon (not from LFC) about his new job which is expected to be in the USA.
                      Hmm, so he got the boot for negotiating with the Man City boys behind the clubs back about their new club thing in America?

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Sarb View Post
                        I'd take issue with anyone who classed our academy as successful. There is little evidence to back that up at all. For the amount of money pumped into it, we've not had a young player come into the 1st team and establish themselves since Steven Gerrard all those years ago.

                        I said in the twitter thread that we can compare and say no other club has, but when our only way of competing is to buy promising youngsters and develop them rather than go out and buy 2 or 3 £20m+ players, then our Academy and Youth set-up needs to be a lot better than our rivals, rather than on a par at being crap with them. If that's the road that the owners are going down, they are well within their rights to sack Borrell and McParland and look into how that part of the club is operating
                        What evidence are you using that backs up your theory that our reserve coaches are underperforming, other than your opinion we should have more first team players by now? I find it odd that not that many months ago everyone associated with the club was raving about our youth set up and they players we had coming through, yet because of a couple of sacking we don't know the real reasons for, suddenly our youth development is a disaster.

                        What’s to say the fault doesn’t lie with the first team coaches? We’ve looked excellent at under age level in recent years and had plenty of players that looked capable off taking the next step up, but yet their progress seems to halt once they get near the first team.
                        If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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                          #27
                          And I'm going to take these 'Rodgers gets more/total control' reports with a pinch of salt. He's never been given total control over transfers even though he wouldn't work under a DoF

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                            #28
                            Looks like the Man city rumours are true then.
                            Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by RedReet View Post
                              What evidence are you using that backs up your theory that our reserve coaches are underperforming, other than your opinion we should have more first team players by now? I find it odd that not that many months ago everyone associated with the club was raving about our youth set up and they players we had coming through, yet because of a couple of sacking we don't know the real reasons for, suddenly our youth development is a disaster.

                              What’s to say the fault doesn’t lie with the first team coaches? We’ve looked excellent at under age level in recent years and had plenty of players that looked capable off taking the next step up, but yet their progress seems to halt once they get near the first team.
                              The evidence is since Gerrard broke through into the team we have had practically no player come from the youth system and establish themselves in the first team. That is a seriously long time.

                              I don't remember many raving about our youth system. Yeah it has a good reputation and we seem to attract a lot of promising youngsters. But like you say, they never/rarely make it into the first team. I don't think it's impossible. Like someone said above, look at the likes of Southampton, they've got some promising youngsters playing/knocking at the door

                              There appears to be no plan at the club as to what to do with these kids when we get them or how to help them kick on to the next level. 15 years odd is a long time to wait in which no youth player has established themselves in the first team, especially when millions have been pumped into the set up

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                                #30
                                Carragher will run the Academy

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