Palace Post Match Disappointment Thread

[The Birdman]

Yep.

And could easily have been a cricket score (I mean 6-0 wouldn't have flattered us) before we conceded the first one and it would have been game over.

100%. We were caught in the eye of a storm. A ****ing crazy storm. It happens. It's just not as easy as many are trying to make out.

The other point that's being missed in the rush to point fingers and be outraged is that Moses missed an open goal to make it 4-3 in injury time.

We haven't been able to defend all season, that's why we're so gung ho in attack because it suits our strengths and hides our weakness.

We are nailed on, I mean I'd happily wager my house that we'll be in the CL for the next 5 years minimum because we'll blow away 90% of the PL with our attacking play.
Whether we go on to win the PL depends on who we buy, our systems (plural) work, we just need better players that suit our system(s) and give us more squad depth.

Micah Richards, Konoplankya and Lallana would be 3 great additions.

[Sarb]

If we keep Suarez and Sturridge together we will be good bets for making CL football for next few years. Agreed

[Shaggy]

Isn't the issue then in the players we look to bring in, we already have the fiery players (Gerrard, Suarez, Skrtel etc), don't we need to balance that somewhat with someone a little more unflappable (someone like a Big Sami or a Xabi Alonso), who can get people to calm down a little when needed.

I know what you mean but it's just not that easy. They're all only human and in the heat of a football match people do irrational and/or crazy things. Look at 'unflappable' Xabi Alonso last week at Bayern. He did something absolutely bonkers.

When momentum in a football is so.....what's the word.........so strong, as it was last night, it's just not as simple as "let's change formation" or whatever.

[Exiled_red]

I know what you mean but it's just not that easy. They're all only human and in the heat of a football match people do irrational and/or crazy things. Look at 'unflappable' Xabi Alonso last week at Bayern. He did something absolutely bonkers.

When momentum in a football is so.....what's the word.........so strong, as it was last night, it's just not as simple as "let's change formation" or whatever.

No I know but I just feel that this team when they concede go out immediately to redress the balance- which is good at times and bad at others.

I think if at 3-1 we hadn't gone straight back at them, but just taken a few minutes to take the wind out of their sails then that goal would have been a consolation goal and we would have got the 3 points. I think that the players get caught up in the heat of the game and we end up in these epic high scoring battles I think we need to be able to know when to step away from thinks like that and just keep control of the game, I don't like the term but I guess it's about 'game management'

[McDermotX]

No I know but I just feel that this team when they concede go out immediately to redress the balance- which is good at times and bad at others.

I think if at 3-1 we hadn't gone straight back at them, but just taken a few minutes to take the wind out of their sails then that goal would have been a consolation goal and we would have got the 3 points. I think that the players get caught up in the heat of the game and we end up in these epic high scoring battles I think we need to be able to know when to step away from thinks like that and just keep control of the game, I don't like the term but I guess it's about 'game management'

Just had a City fan agreeing with me on the exact same point. Agger could have been used around the same time......not to sit back as such....just to add a solidity back into our control.

[McDermotX]

You know you've cocked things up when even the Queensland Police Service are trolling you...

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[The Birdman]

Bringing Agger on wouldn't have stopped the problem that Palace were causing us wide.
Rodgers brought Moses on and played him wide right to protect Johnson from Bolasie, he made a change to counter their strength at that time.

Moses actually tracked back and dispossessed Bolasie a couple of times, don't get caught up in the bollocks of another defender would have stopped it happening.

Rodgers tried to stop the source, stop the ball getting to Bolasie which means a knackered Johnson doesn't need to defend 1v1 with him time and time again.

Alright it didn't work, but the point is Rodgers tried to change something and his logic was 100% correct

[James P]

Went last night & sat in the home end, right next too their nutty support; gutted does not even come close. If ever there was a time to bring Agger on it was at 3-1 & close it out.

I thought we were outstanding for 75mins & had the press/managers not made it a topic of conversation, we would have had at least two stonewall penalties, but the ref bottled it.

Whats even more gutting was the fans around me would have taken a 3-0 beating on 75mins, as we should have been 7 up at that point; but then having to sit there & endure there celebrations was totally sickening.

Inexperiance & naivety cost dearly last night, but i tell you what if we keep this group togther next season, NO-ONE will fancy playing us.

Feel for the players today, because they have been immense & must feel totaly drained & defeated

BUT WHIST I AM SHELLSHOCKED, DOWN & DISHEARTENED TODAY, WE ARE MOST DEFINSTLEY ON AN UPWARDS CURVE

WE ARE LIVERPOOL TRA, la, la, la, la

I was there too, and have to say that while it was painful watching our utter collapse in the last 15 minutes, the Palace fans were epic in their support, even at 3-0 down. Other than Anfield, I can't remember a ground with more noise. You could see that lifting their players hugely as they attacked that end full of nutters who basically bounced and sang for the whole 94 minutes.

[Lecter]

The idea that you cant stop the momentum is nonsense imo

The fact is yesterday we didnt even try anything different either tactical / substitution wise or even just disrupting the game by altering the tempo

If you do nothing or change nothing then you clearly wont stem the flow, but the idea that it is some irresistable force that cant be stopped and you should just lay down and accept it is nonsense imo

[Norbs]

We know how those AC Milan fans felt that night now

I thought the same

Palace crowd was outstanding last night. Once they got their first goal it was a wall of noise. It's a small ground so they can orchestrate it better but I've never been to a game where the entire 4 stands were in such unison. Fair play to them.

That said, being in among the home fans was horrible. I've done it loads of times in the past but the circumstances last night and those home fans around you being very aware you're an away supporter made it awful. There was a Red sat directly behind me and we hugged at the final whistle. I was close to tears, there were many who were worse than me. The Red section's singing was superb after the final whistle

[James P]

Bringing Agger on wouldn't have stopped the problem that Palace were causing us wide.
Rodgers brought Moses on and played him wide right to protect Johnson from Bolasie, he made a change to counter their strength at that time.

Moses actually tracked back and dispossessed Bolasie a couple of times, don't get caught up in the bollocks of another defender would have stopped it happening.

Rodgers tried to stop the source, stop the ball getting to Bolasie which means a knackered Johnson doesn't need to defend 1v1 with him time and time again.

Alright it didn't work, but the point is Rodgers tried to change something and his logic was 100% correct

This is spot on. If he'd brought Moses on 10 minutes earlier we might well have cut of the supply from that flank. He was clearly as quick as Bolasie, and stronger.

[The Birdman]

The idea that you cant stop the momentum is nonsense imo

The fact is yesterday we didnt even try anything different either tactical / substitution wise or even just disrupting the game by altering the tempo

If you do nothing or change nothing then you clearly wont stem the flow, but the idea that it is some irresistable force that cant be stopped and you should just lay down and accept it is nonsense imo

Disagree Lec, see my post above.
Rodgers did try to change the game with his substitution of Moses for Sturridge, he left Suarez up and put Moses right hand side, he went 4-5-1 with the idea being Moses' pace and power would help stop Bolasie.

It didn't work but he did try to affect change, he did try to protect Johnson and he did try to stem the attacks flooding down that side.

[James P]

The idea that you cant stop the momentum is nonsense imo

The fact is yesterday we didnt even try anything different either tactical / substitution wise or even just disrupting the game by altering the tempo

If you do nothing or change nothing then you clearly wont stem the flow, but the idea that it is some irresistable force that cant be stopped and you should just lay down and accept it is nonsense imo

It wasn't Palace's momentum. It was our players freezing like rabbits in headlights. There was a tangible panic across the whole team once the first goal went in.

[john316]

Stopping momentum isn't always by retreating as well. You can stop momentum by also pushing on and find new ways to attack.

[Lecter]

Bringing Agger on wouldn't have stopped the problem that Palace were causing us wide.
Rodgers brought Moses on and played him wide right to protect Johnson from Bolasie, he made a change to counter their strength at that time.

Moses actually tracked back and dispossessed Bolasie a couple of times, don't get caught up in the bollocks of another defender would have stopped it happening.

Rodgers tried to stop the source, stop the ball getting to Bolasie which means a knackered Johnson doesn't need to defend 1v1 with him time and time again.

Alright it didn't work, but the point is Rodgers tried to change something and his logic was 100% correct

Not all of their goals came from out wide though

One was a punt straight down the middle of the pitch, the other came from a throw in

If we had brought on more defenders we would have had more men in the box. At times there was far too much space and they just ran round us another centreback would have meant less gaps between players and less space to run into

To me its wasnt only tactical there are so many things we could have done but it was poor game management not only from the team on the pitch but also tactically and substitution from the manager

I'm not going to be too critical of Rodgers hes tried a similar way a number of times this season and his methods have worked, this time they didnt