Liverpool Defence

[Kenneth]

I don't know, Chris gave it a good go last season.

[Lecter]

Skrtel has never been lambasted on Est so much as he has this season. As an individual maybe he wasn't better under Rafa but as an important part of the defensive unit we had a solid defense with him.

Personally I think your point re-enforces mine.

Not really as you are suggesting that the problem can be resolved through coaching

I am saying we need new personnel

Unless we have someone in Skrtels ear telling him what to do and where to go throughout the game no amount of coaching will help him

[Assassin]

The biggest problem with our defence lies with our midfield.

The midfield players give the ball away far to easily and are way out of position exposing the defence.

IMO our midfield has been shocking so far this season

[ronanm]

The biggest problem with our defence lies with our midfield.

The midfield players give the ball away far to easily and are way out of position exposing the defence.

IMO our midfield has been shocking so far this season

The biggest problem lies with the attack. BR insists on persisting with the style of last year in the absence of the personnel to do so. Attack was our best form of defence. In it's absence, it's magnified the lack of quality in midfield who can't defend, which exposes the defence further.

Not that that means we should be useless at defending set pieces.

[Muddled]

So we have Lecter in the 'defence' corner, Assassin in the 'midfield' corner and ronanm in the 'attack' corner. All we need now is JohnDoe in the 'goalkeeper' corner and we've got ourselves a ruckus. I mean a debate.

[Lecter]

The biggest problem with our defence lies with our midfield.

The midfield players give the ball away far to easily and are way out of position exposing the defence.

IMO our midfield has been shocking so far this season

You cant blame midfielders for defenders not marking off set pieces, not being goalside of players in general and not being close enough to their fellow centrehalves

The pressure from midfield or lack thereof is an issue but defensively as a back four unit we are so amateurish its unreal

[danperkins]

We are only missing the 'goalkeeper' corner

I would agree with everyone, the balance throughout the whole team just isn't there yet. Whether or not we have the personnel in the current squad to sort it out remains to be seen. If we can keep in touch until January, maybe we can bring some players in to change that.

[Lecter]

So we have Lecter in the 'defence' corner, Assassin in the 'midfield' corner and ronanm in the 'attack' corner. All we need now is JohnDoe in the 'goalkeeper' corner and we've got ourselves a ruckus. I mean a debate.

Ha

I think we have varying problems all over the pitch

I dont think the current system works for us we are better with 2 up top

We dont have enough pressure on the ball high up the pitch which imo is again symptomatic of the system change

Then we have a back four making schoolboy errors every week

[Kenneth]

Get hyypia in. He's probably going to get the sack at Brighton very soon.

[The_weatherman]

I think this a multifaceted problem which can't be solved with one solution.

We need to address the defenders, through coaching and recruiting and we also need to alter our midfield to offer more protection to the defence.

Then we need another GK who is commanding and capable of shouting directions and a direct pacy striker or Sturridge to return to give the team better shape and a quick outlet.

So, to sum up, IMO you are all right.

[The_weatherman]

Ha

I think we have varying problems all over the pitch

I dont think the current system works for us we are better with 2 up top

We dont have enough pressure on the ball high up the pitch which imo is again symptomatic of the system change

Then we have a back four making schoolboy errors every week

Damn, I was slow typing.......kind of the same point.

[Slinky Skills]

We can debate this forever, we know they're both crap and hopefully Rodgers has identified this.

The important thing is, who is out there that is obtainable and will do a decent job?

I can't think of anyone.

[Kenneth]

I think this a multifaceted problem which can't be solved with one solution.

We need to address the defenders, through coaching and recruiting and we also need to alter our midfield to offer more protection to the defence.

Then we need another GK who is commanding and capable of shouting directions and a direct pacy striker or Sturridge to return to give the team better shape and a quick outlet.

So, to sum up, IMO you are all right.

Yes it can. Get Hyypia in.

[Assassin]

You cant blame midfielders for defenders not marking off set pieces, not being goalside of players in general and not being close enough to their fellow centrehalves

The pressure from midfield or lack thereof is an issue but defensively as a back four unit we are so amateurish its unreal

I'm not playing the blame game. I see there is an issue at the back. However, the midfield, IMO are the root cause of all the pressure on the back four. Whether it is through open play or set pieces. In all the years I have been watching Us play. I have never ever seen a midfield give away the ball/possession so much. This is now going to spark a mini rant. Every ****ing game I watch this season I am reduced to shouting and screaming repeatably "Stop giving the ****ing ball away".......

This loss of control either, one, exposes the back four, two, causes the midfielders to make rash tackles giving the ball away, or three, both midfielders and defenders scrambling and giving numerous corners away, or four/and four the ball ending up in the net.

Sort the midfield out and the defence will follow.....

[Pablo]

I'm not playing the blame game. I see there is an issue at the back. However, the midfield, IMO are the root cause of all the pressure on the back four. Whether it is through open play or set pieces. In all the years I have been watching Us play. I have never ever seen a midfield give away the ball/possession so much. This is now going to spark a mini rant. Every ****ing game I watch this season I am reduced to shouting and screaming repeatably "Stop giving the ****ing ball away".......

This loss of control either, one, exposes the back four, two, causes the midfielders to make rash tackles giving the ball away, or three, both midfielders and defenders scrambling and giving numerous corners away, or four/and four the ball ending up in the net.

Sort the midfield out and the defence will follow.....

All good points. The midfield, and even the attackers are to blame. We're not closing down well enough from the front this season either. It's all putting extra pressure on a ****e defence.

Anyone know how we're getting on in terms of goals conceded so far compared to this point last season?