Reds prepare for Upson swoop

[Morph]

Well he did in his first season as a semi-regular 2000-2001 and he one Chelseas player of the season (in a defence including Desailly) - I will give you he had played in the league cup before that.

So you're telling me that from Terry's appearances in the 00/01 season he fit straight in and bossed games from the get go? I'm sorry but that's absolute rubbish. He might have been voted player of the season, well so was bolo for Boro and that meant bollocks all in the long run as well didn't it. No one gave a **** about John Terry untill he started making apearances for England. and that was about 2003.

[dww]

The fact that they where actively seeking to sell Terry and many Chelsea fans really where not impressed by him. I would tend to think Terry did not run games and has not run games his entire career. He marshalls games and is an outstanding defender but he does not run games.

In his first season playing semi-regular football he won fans player of the year and players player of the year at Chelsea. All the Chelsea fans I have known have always raved about him or his potential.

I never said he ran games, but that he was dominant as soon as he came into the team. He both organised those around him and defended with an air of authority. He was captain for several games in the season after his breakthrough. Even he wasn't world class or anything like it when he broke through but he was much more influencial than Agger has been for us.

The example of the charity shield is a slight red herring as it has been made clear that they were treating it as purely a fitness exercise and at the time Drogba was not in anything like the form he is now.

[Morph]

The example of the charity shield is a slight red herring as it has been made clear that they were treating it as purely a fitness exercise and at the time Drogba was not in anything like the form he is now.

And here's me thinking he ****ed him over again at Stamford bridge as well, oh wait that did happen didn't it.

[dww]

So you're telling me that from Terry's appearances in the 00/01 season he fit straight in and bossed games from the get go? I'm sorry but that's absolute rubbish. He might have been voted player of the season, well so was bolo for Boro and that meant bollocks all in the long run as well didn't it. No one gave a **** about John Terry untill he started making apearances for England. and that was about 2003.

He came in and had a much bigger effect on the team than Agger did. Whether people outside of Chelsea recognised that or not doesn't alter the facts. He wasn't a world class player then either, he was however much more dominant in terms of defence than Agger has been in all but the Birmingham and charity shield matches for us. I don't see the same solidity in the way Agger did to the way Terry played. Agger however has shown greater composure on the ball and passing ability - he still has a long way to go before convincing me as a great defender, even though I see that he has the potential to do so.

So there were players of the quality of Desailly in the Middlesboro team when Bolo won player of the season were there?

[Morph]

He came in and had a much bigger effect on the team than Agger did. Whether people outside of Chelsea recognised that or not doesn't alter the facts. He wasn't a world class player then either, he was however much more dominant in terms of defence than Agger has been in all but the Birmingham and charity shield matches for us. I don't see the same solidity in the way Agger did to the way Terry played. Agger however has shown greater composure on the ball and passing ability - he still has a long way to go before convincing me as a great defender, even though I see that he has the potential to do so.

So there were players of the quality of Desailly in the Middlesboro team when Bolo won player of the season were there?

He had a much bigger impact because they were ****. Agger's impact has been just fine, go and see my thread on him. They finished 6th that season and shipped 45 goals, whats good about that?

[dww]

He had a much bigger impact because they were ****. Agger's impact has been just fine, go and see my thread on him. They finished 6th that season and shipped 45 goals, whats good about that?

To be honest the real point I was originally trying to make was that Agger while having done well has done nothing (as yet) to justify the tags of either world class or better than Carragher. I really think he will blossom into a player justifying the plaudits he is getting, I just feel that people are currently rating him a/relative to our other players bad form and b/ with red-tinted spectacles.

You made the reasonable argument that you can't expect a young player to have a big impact and I agree, but would say that this is why Agger couldn't be said to be either world class or better than Carra. I kind of foolishly bought up John Terry - which is a whole other argument and has somewhat clouded the issue.

Hopefully, my final word on the Terry issue, which I regret raising: I will give you that Terry might have looked good as he was actually being compared to Frank Leboeuf. The reason I raised him is that he came into the team as a fully fledged defender, whereas I think Agger needs some time to get to that level. He does have however potential to offer a lot more than being a simple defender with his passing, so in someways could be called a more complete footballer. However he doesn't have the authority Terry came into the team with - even if it could be argued he is a better player overall than Terry was.

[Morph]

To be honest the real point I was originally trying to make was that Agger while having done well has done nothing (as yet) to justify the tags of either world class or better than Carragher. I really think he will blossom into a player justifying the plaudits he is getting, I just feel that people are currently rating him a/relative to our other players bad form and b/ with red-tinted spectacles.

Agreed, so far

You made the reasonable argument that you can't expect a young player to have a big impact and I agree, but would say that this is why Agger couldn't be said to be either world class or better than Carra. I kind of foolishly bought up John Terry - which is a whole other argument and has somewhat clouded the issue.

Agreed again

Hopefully, my final word on the Terry issue, which I regret raising: I will give you that Terry might have looked good as he was actually being compared to Frank Leboeuf. The reason I raised him is that he came into the team as a fully fledged defender, whereas I think Agger needs some time to get to that level. He does have however potential to offer a lot more than being a simple defender with his passing, so in someways could be called a more complete footballer. However he doesn't have the authority Terry came into the team with - even if it could be argued he is a better player overall than Terry was.

Agreed again, very good.

The only thing I will say is that in our team you've got Carra who commands the back four, and maybe Desailly didn't work like this. I doubt Agger is going to come into the defense and start telling Carra his job, so his time will come and it's not something he will do from the get go. Although I have the feeling Paletta is going to be more suited at bossing the back four than Agger is. Although I think Agger will turn out to be the more well rounded defender, more so than Terry anyway.

[Marky]

So you're telling me that from Terry's appearances in the 00/01 season he fit straight in and bossed games from the get go? I'm sorry but that's absolute rubbish. He might have been voted player of the season, well so was bolo for Boro and that meant bollocks all in the long run as well didn't it. No one gave a **** about John Terry untill he started making apearances for England. and that was about 2003.

Yep John Terry was quite a latcomer in terms of playing regularly in the Chelsea first team.
Didn't really hold a place down until he was 22/23.

[Red Chilli]

Next season is crucial for LFC, we have to be challenging for the title. January is therefore also crucial. Rafa has to buy, in January, the players who are going to win us the title next season. Upson is not one of these players.

We need back up for Momo
We need a left back
We need a right winger or 2
We probably need another striker.

Get your hand in your pocket Davey boy

[Marky]

Next season is crucial for LFC, we have to be challenging for the title. January is therefore also crucial. Rafa has to buy, in January, the players who are going to win us the title next season. Upson is not one of these players.

We need back up for Momo Joey Barton/Kevin Nolan would do nicely
We need a left back Leyton Baines would do nicely
We need a right winger or 2 SWP would do nicely, likely not happen tho
We probably need another striker. Not just yet imo

Get your hand in your pocket Davey boy

[kurtangle01]

Yet another Arsenal reject who has no place in our team. Hope it doesn't come off.

[Shaggy]

So you're telling me that from Terry's appearances in the 00/01 season he fit straight in and bossed games from the get go? I'm sorry but that's absolute rubbish. He might have been voted player of the season, well so was bolo for Boro and that meant bollocks all in the long run as well didn't it. No one gave a **** about John Terry untill he started making apearances for England. and that was about 2003.

I have to say, there was a time when I raved about John Terry. He'd been making fleeting appearances in the first team and he instantly struck me as a monster of a centre half.

Then he became a regular, proved me right but I then began to loathe him.

[Farside]

Houllier was interested in signing Terry just before he got the push.

[red g]

Upson has met with officials once about 18 months ago. cant see therre being anything in it.Will make a call over the weekend and find out. Perhaps with Beattie over at Everton there may be a chance, He wanted to much money last time.....cant see what wil have changed

[Kopite75]

for the love of mike, why look at him when we should be looking at Richards, hell offer Man City 8 mil and warnock