Thing vs thingy postmatch

[Muddled]

But we're losing money on players hand over fist. We either sell at a loss or subsidise them going out on loan.

Yeah, we haven't quite nailed this transfer malarkey yet. I don't think it's perfect, but I completely understand why we haven't gone and out and bought Fabregas, Falcao and Di Maria.

[Corndog]

You're still not seeing the bigger picture. We were in the position we were in because of other players on the pitch.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but not for the first time Moreno's refusal to use his right foot has directly cost a goal. While you can say it was the other players , equally i can say that its just as likely if Moreno clears it with his right, then the game is 0-0 and we finish one point better off.

Also to clarify, there were a ton of **** performances today, not just Moreno, but i don't see how he shoud 'not be to blame at all'

[captainfog]

Yeah, we haven't quite nailed this transfer malarkey yet. I don't think it's perfect, but I completely understand why we haven't gone and out and bought Fabregas, Falcao and Di Maria.

I really wish we had though, we'd almost certainly be in a much better position than we are now

[Red_Polo]

Listen to me now, before someone says it. There were NO positives in that performance. None. Don't even go there.

There's nothing there, there's nothing there. What is there there? What is there? There's no movement, there's nothing, there was just nothing.

http://vine.co/v/OhHmYb0IATE

[Red_Polo]

Urgh. Embed fail.

[captainfog]

I don't think it's been mentioned in the thread but while it was still 0-0 Newcastle should have had two players sent off.

[Red_Polo]

I don't think it's been mentioned in the thread but while it was still 0-0 Newcastle should have had two players sent off.

Very ****ing true. Hendo given yellow for something trivial yet potential leg breakers got the same.

[Exiled_red]

Whilst we may be paying a hefty price for potential, I don't think we're paying a premium. Whilst it's not the best example, the cost of Can and his wages for the duration of his contract will be considerably cheaper than Fabregas. You then have the potential resale value if you need to recoup some of the money.

But we're losing money on players hand over fist. We either sell at a loss or subsidise them going out on loan.

Yeah, we haven't quite nailed this transfer malarkey yet. I don't think it's perfect, but I completely understand why we haven't gone and out and bought Fabregas, Falcao and Di Maria.

Our record on big money signings isn't great, players over £15m:

Carroll £35m failure
Lallana £25m jury's out
Suarez £22.8m success
Torres £20.2m success
Lovren £20m jury's out
Markovic £19.8m jury's out
Keane £19m failure
Mascherano £18.6m success
Downing £18.5m failure
Johnson £17.5m success
Aquilani £17.1m failure
Balotelli £16m jury's out
Henderson £16m success
Allen £15m jury's out
Sakho £15m jury's out

For me that's 5 successes, 4 failures and the jury is still out on 6. The most spectacular successes are the high profile players (Suarez, Torres etc) and the spectacular failures are mostly the ones that people could have predicted (Carroll, Downing etc). I think we seriously need to look at our scouting and how we identify potential targets, it's not just about how much they cost or wages, we really need to think about whether they would fit into our system. There is no point in spending big on a great player if they won't fit into the system, we wouldn't play to their strengths or we are going to play them out of position, which is something we have been guilty of on numerous occasions in recent years.

[Roboklopp]

Our record on big money signings isn't great, players over £15m:

Carroll £35m failure
Lallana £25m jury's out
Suarez £22.8m success
Torres £20.2m success
Lovren £20m jury's out
Markovic £19.8m jury's out
Keane £19m failure
Mascherano £18.6m success
Downing £18.5m failure
Johnson £17.5m success
Aquilani £17.1m failure
Balotelli £16m jury's out
Henderson £16m success
Allen £15m jury's out
Sakho £15m jury's out

For me that's 5 successes, 4 failures and the jury is still out on 6. The most spectacular successes are the high profile players (Suarez, Torres etc) and the spectacular failures are mostly the ones that people could have predicted (Carroll, Downing etc). I think we seriously need to look at our scouting and how we identify potential targets, it's not just about how much they cost or wages, we really need to think about whether they would fit into our system. There is no point in spending big on a great player if they won't fit into the system, we wouldn't play to their strengths or we are going to play them out of position, which is something we have been guilty of on numerous occasions in recent years.

Oh God.

[Zapater]

I don't think it's been mentioned in the thread but while it was still 0-0 Newcastle should have had two players sent off.

I acknowledge that this is the case, but it's an excuse and at the end of the day we should be putting teams like Newcastle away regardless. It's an uncontrollable variable and we can't rely on things like that to get us through.

[The_weatherman]

Yup, I still lay this at BR feet, I feel he is like a different manager from last season, will be interesting where we sre after christmas.

[frank the tank]

Yup, I still lay this at BR feet, I feel he is like a different manager from last season, will be interesting where we sre after christmas.

i think our season - and Brendans LFC career - rests on sturridge remaining fit when he comes back into the team.

[Roboklopp]

Unacceptable really, given the £s spent.

[Icon]

We are lazy

It takes the back four an age to get the ball forward to a man is space, and an age to run back to defend.
The midfield have nobody to push the ball through to score and we have no competent strikers. And the scoring ability of our midfield is generally woeful.

We have no talisman anymore and rely on a 19 year old who simply cannot cut it week in week out.

Completely out of ideas in ALL areas, on and off the pitch.

[chadrtc]

I don't think it's been mentioned in the thread but while it was still 0-0 Newcastle should have had two players sent off.

The tackle on Mario was ridiculous - an absolute stonewall straight red for violent conduct. You could see from Pardew's reaction that he thought their player was going to be sent off. If the roles had been reversed Mario would have certainly seen red.