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[Shaggy]

I love it when footballers ping their passes. It's like "****ing deal with that pal!". Tbf good players can usually take it, and Sakho's fizzed, incisive balls into midfield make a difference to us. His passing is much bolder than any of our other centre backs.

Loving Coutinho and Lallana. Phil has an amazing on-field bond with Sturridge and you have to fancy it'll be the same with Lallana and Sturridge. The three of them are on the same wavelength and when you chuck Sterling into the mix too, it's a pretty ****in awesome front four. If we can get Sturridge back and keep him fit, I'd fancy us to make a pretty decent fist of replicating our form in the 2nd half of last season.

[DannyMan2006]

Two things: First, Stevie has to fight his way back into the 11 and should be used to influence games off the bench for the foreseeable.

Second: Sterling, Lallana and Coutinho are starting to look magic together. Can't wait to see those 3 with Studge up top and Lucas / Hendo sitting behind

First: No way Lucas plays again after all the starts he's made. Doesn't have the energy for it. Gerrard starts and tbh, it's Leicester at home, I don't see why not.

Second: I agree the three you mention look good in tandem, but Rodgers will soon have an issue and that is the return of Sturridge and maybe another striker signed (prays). Sturridge is an automatic choice when fit for me. Where do we then fit Raheem in? As well as Markovic who also played well?

It's a good problem to have at least.

[danperkins]

People moaning about the manager after that - Angry Dan. I'll say no more. Though I'm really, really tempted.

That was fantastic. All those knobs who said it was all down to Suarez will soon have to eat their words IMO. The reason we've been so **** was because we replaced two strikers who display everything Rodgers wants with one who displays nothing of what Rodgers wants. All this crap about Rodgers signings and Committee signings, well I don't care who came up with that idea - crackers in hindsight.

Ever since United away we've been a real creative attacking force, and whilst we haven't always been totally on our groove, tonight's performance was inevitable. People will say don't jump the gun as it's early days, but most would be the same who jumped the gun and wanted Rodgers sacked.

I admit my patience was severely tested when Basel at home was so tepid following on from dreadful football, IMO Rodgers betrayed himself with how he was playing. Back to basics bull****. Thankfully he "found" himself again which I always hoped he would and returned to an attacking & vibrant coach.

After last season Rodgers always deserved to see out the season minimum. I've seen enough now to know he should be here for a very long time.

People were moaning because Rodgers he was playing players where they shouldn't be & he was persisting with bad signings. The criticism was brought on by himself.

He has made alot of mistakes playing Gerrard at DM, keeping Lovren in so long (actually buying Lovren), playing Balotelli and/or Lambert up top on their own & not playing our only DM Lucas.

Through trial and error & injuries we Rodgers has come up with this system that concentrates on our attacking game. Putting Can back at RCB was a great move & personally before the game I was delighted to see Manquillo &
Moreno at wingbacks. No square pegs in round holes players playing where they should be. The team tonight had balance and solidity to it. Was a pleasure to watch

[EwarWoo]

No square pegs in round holes players playing where they should be.

Hindsight is one of those funny things.

I can guarantee you if Can had ****ed up it would have been a load of whinging about playing him out of position etc etc.

That's the thing about experimenting. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

[DannyMan2006]

People were moaning because Rodgers he was playing players where they shouldn't be & he was persisting with bad signings. The criticism was brought on by himself.

He has made alot of mistakes playing Gerrard at DM, keeping Lovren in so long (actually buying Lovren), playing Balotelli and/or Lambert up top on their own & not playing our only DM Lucas.

Through trial and error & injuries we Rodgers has come up with this system that concentrates on our attacking game. Putting Can back at RCB was a great move & personally before the game I was delighted to see Manquillo &
Moreno at wingbacks. No square pegs in round holes players playing where they should be. The team tonight had balance and solidity to it. Was a pleasure to watch

I know why people were moaning, I was myself. I just wasn't jumping around like an idiot wanting him sacked for it. I hoped he'd learn from his mistakes, mistakes he was always going to make being a young and inexperienced manager. It's like signing an unproven talent, flashes of brilliance but inconsistent. You just persist and see if they step up and prove themselves.

And I'm sorry, but I can't accept that after a few games he should be binning off two strikers for Raheem Sterling up top. And as Gerrard was so brilliant at starting the play last season, why would you take him out?

Each striker at the club has had a chance IMO, and when they failed to produce he changed it up. I agree he should've done it sooner. But I think it's crystal clear what this club needs now and I think the transfer committee has to step up. Agreed, Lovren has been ****e.

[DannyMan2006]

Hindsight is one of those funny things.

I can guarantee you if Can had ****ed up it would have been a load of whinging about playing him out of position etc etc.

That's the thing about experimenting. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

In fairness, Can is not a CB and it showed for what I think was the goal.

But whilst he isn't the best defender we've got, he's able to bring the ball out brilliantly and that makes up for it. It was why Jones was in the team over Mignolet, that and bad form of Migs of course.

[EwarWoo]

In fairness, Can is not a CB and it showed for what I think was the goal.

But whilst he isn't the best defender we've got, he's able to bring the ball out brilliantly and that makes up for it. It was why Jones was in the team over Mignolet, that and bad form of Migs of course.

Don't get me wrong I wasn't complaining, quite the opposite, just saying that too many people knee jerk and judge based on the result not the intent or idea.

It works you're a genius, it fails it was a bloody stupid idea and you should be sacked.

i.e., in the very same post complaining about players out of position however "Putting Can back at RCB was a great move"

The irony!

[DannyMan2006]

Don't get me wrong I wasn't complaining, quite the opposite, just saying that too many people knee jerk and judge based on the result not the intent or idea.

It works you're a genius, it fails it was a bloody stupid idea and you should be sacked.

i.e., in the very same post complaining about players out of position however "Putting Can back at RCB was a great move"

The irony!

Oh, I wasn't disagreeing, just adding my two pence worth in there.

People bitched about Markovic at LM v Arsenal, even though that was where he played a load last season for Benfica, all be it in a formation that had 4 at the back. Rodgers when he's being positive makes plenty of bold moves that pay off. It was only pre Man Utd that he was in bad shape IMO.

[danperkins]

I know why people were moaning, I was myself. I just wasn't jumping around like an idiot wanting him sacked for it. I hoped he'd learn from his mistakes, mistakes he was always going to make being a young and inexperienced manager. It's like signing an unproven talent, flashes of brilliance but inconsistent. You just persist and see if they step up and prove themselves.

And I'm sorry, but I can't accept that after a few games he should be binning off two strikers for Raheem Sterling up top. And as Gerrard was so brilliant at starting the play last season, why would you take him out?

Each striker at the club has had a chance IMO, and when they failed to produce he changed it up. I agree he should've done it sooner. But I think it's crystal clear what this club needs now and I think the transfer committee has to step up. Agreed, Lovren has been ****e.

To be fair most people said lets see how the next few games go. People wanted to see an improvement in performance and a consistency in team selection. He has learned but to be fair but he was trying things over and over again that weren't working, very frustrating. I can understand why everyone was losing patience. If a team is losing but playing well you can understand to a point, but we were actually were losing and losing miserably with no fight or spirit then something has to change. A club like LFC should never lose with a whimper.

Personnel wise we had a lousy defence with a guy playing as a DM... who can't play the position. Lucas was our only actual DM inthe squad.. made ever bit of sense to play your only defensive shield infront of your incredibly fragile defence. Because of who Gerrard is, that is why Rodgers has persisted so much. Any other player would have been bombed long before. Stevie still has things to offer, but certainly not a DM and not starting as much as he does IMO.

As regards the strikers, neither have ever played as lone strikers & neither have the attributes to do so. Was painful watching Balotelli or Lambert up top on their own. It failed so miserably that we actually starting playing with no recognised strikers. Sterling is doing the best he can do but it's a huge learning curve for him..... that's how bad the striking situation is at the moment.

It was the performances than the results more for me. I think people needed to see signs of progress & signs that the manager does know what to do with this squad. The last couple of games have been positive & that's great. Nobody wants the turmoil of Rodgers failing miserably and having to get a new manager and start from scratch again. People want the club to do well and when things where as bad as they were it's only natural for fans to start asking questions.

Anyways it's a start, long may those performances last. Was magnificent to watch

[Shaggy]

Jonjo Shelvey @shelveyJ
Just wanna say didn't intentionally elbow that cunt emre can was just trying to get my arm across to get round him and it's come off as I'm trying to

[EwarWoo]

[DannyMan2006]

To be fair most people said lets see how the next few games go. People wanted to see an improvement in performance and a consistency in team selection. He has learned but to be fair but he was trying things over and over again that weren't working, very frustrating. I can understand why everyone was losing patience. If a team is losing but playing well you can understand to a point, but we were actually were losing and losing miserably with no fight or spirit then something has to change. A club like LFC should never lose with a whimper.

Personnel wise we had a lousy defence with a guy playing as a DM... who can't play the position. Lucas was our only actual DM inthe squad.. made ever bit of sense to play your only defensive shield infront of your incredibly fragile defence. Because of who Gerrard is, that is why Rodgers has persisted so much. Any other player would have been bombed long before. Stevie still has things to offer, but certainly not a DM and not starting as much as he does IMO.

As regards the strikers, neither have ever played as lone strikers & neither have the attributes to do so. Was painful watching Balotelli or Lambert up top on their own. It failed so miserably that we actually starting playing with no recognised strikers. Sterling is doing the best he can do but it's a huge learning curve for him..... that's how bad the striking situation is at the moment.

It was the performances than the results more for me. I think people needed to see signs of progress & signs that the manager does know what to do with this squad. The last couple of games have been positive & that's great. Nobody wants the turmoil of Rodgers failing miserably and having to get a new manager and start from scratch again. People want the club to do well and when things where as bad as they were it's only natural for fans to start asking questions.

Anyways it's a start, long may those performances last. Was magnificent to watch

Balotelli played lone attacker for Italy and has been amazing. Lambert played lone attacker for So'ton and did a very good job. He clearly doesn't rate Borini and neither do I tbh so forget him.

We were struggling to create chances so it didn't make sense to take Gerrard out and put Lucas in, you just create less. When Rodgers finally did do that, that's exactly what happened. We were appalling going forwards but did scrape some draws against the might of Basel, Ludo and Sunderland. We even went with a 4231 with Gerrard and Lucas but it was too slow and pedestrian, even with Gerrard further forwards. That changed when we went to three defenders and got an extra attacker on the pitch.

On Lovren, I don't think he's the reason we are poor at the back. He's not in the side atm and we don't suddenly look solid. IMO, the signing of Mario was the reason we've been so ****e, and I hate to put it all down to one player. It's not Marios fault, he just doesn't suit our STYLE, which is run and press all over the park and be able to run in behind and stretch teams.

I do agree with Lec when he was saying we could've tried Mario with Markovic or Sterling as a partnership. I don't know why he didn't. Maybe he tried it in training and it didn't come off. I don't see training so I can't be certain.

[DannyMan2006]

The way he swung it back suggests otherwise...... But I like Jonjo and he always seems to give us a helping hand.

[ronanm]

2nd win the the league in 5attempts and people who were calling for rodgers to be sacked a couple of weeks ago are creaming themselves? Anyway, a long way to go.

[DannyMan2006]

2nd win the the league in 5attempts and people who were calling for rodgers to be sacked a couple of weeks ago are creaming themselves? Anyway, a long way to go.

Think it's more those who backed Rodgers who are getting excited.

But you're right, Bottom line is we have to maintain some sense of realism in good times & bad. Rodgers was always going to get the season, and how we finish up is what will decide his fate.