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    Formation tinkering?

    Right we all agree the change of formation has helped our form to pick up. Its certainly made us harder to beat. We have looked good at times. It suits our centre backs and Lucas.

    However I'm not convinced its the way to stay, especially now sturridge is back. He likes to drop off, pick the ball up, fanny around and knock it about. He doesn't lead the line particularly well. He's better suited in a two. We want him getting in dangerous positions, I'm not convinced this formation would get the best from him.

    Under Evans we played a different system but still with the 3 at back, but the failings were often similar. When the opposition has only one up top, you are effectively having an extra defender on the pitch when it could be another creative player. What you get is lots of passing around the three but not a lot else. Its predictable at times. When you get a team prepared to press like everton it then puts the defenders under more pressure. Like we saw with sakho and can caught dallying.

    Ibe and markovic are doing good jobs in an unfamiliar role, however long term it won't do either any favours. We seem to have a number of players that all favour differing systems. I don't think Lucas in the diamond would work as he would be too isolated. None of our defenders work in a 4 very well. Sterling, cout and lallana all prefer central.

    I guess the system is here for the foreseeable to get us through if you like, it gives all the weak links extra protection. I just don't think we will ever score enough goals with it.

    Perhaps it could be tinkered to on occasion start with two up top. I want to see sturridge and balotelli start together again.
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    Creating more than we did and conceding less. I wouldn't change it.

    We were average yesterday, but I think it was a unique setting because of it being a derby game.

    On Sturridge, he is clearly not at his explosive best yet, but he's showed in the past he can lead the line and play alone.
    Forwards.......

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      #3
      I think as the games drag on we should look to revert to 4 at the back for the last 20-30 minutes and push Can into midfield, he's such a driving force when he gets going.
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        Its definitely not the way forward. It has helped made us more solid at the back, but with some proper coaching and organisation then we should be able to achieve that with 2 centre backs. We're also wasting Can and Markovic in this system.

        Still think diamond is the way forward. We certainly needed to tweek the formation in the second half yesterday.
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          #5
          Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post

          Perhaps it could be tinkered to on occasion start with two up top. I want to see sturridge and balotelli start together again.


          Why would anyone want to change a formation that has brought us a significant upturn in results, and a massive improvement in clean sheets, and now is about to have a proper striker added to it in a fit Sturridge, in order to accommodate flipping Balotelli? Even now, after half a season that this myth of a good Balotelli just waiting to be unlocked still perpetuates itself? Who deserves to get dropped for him? I was almost with you until then Bob

          I really don't like 3 at the back, or at least I didn't in the traditional 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 formation which I believe is inherently flawed at least without the most specific and rare set of players. This 3-4-3 thing Brendan has us playing now is a different animal though and most importantly right now it is getting results. We'll see if it can score enough goals with Sturridge fully back, but I'm not sure you can argue it won't suit him when it has suited Sterling playing furthest forward until now? And regardless it certainly seems not to be letting them in at the other end, this has to be our best defensive run since Rodgers took over.

          Thinking about switching things around again so soon would seem to me to be massively jumping the gun.
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            #6
            Not sure what's wrong with 3-5-3 with the option of going 4-4-2 late on if needed
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              #7
              Originally posted by fidget View Post
              Not sure what's wrong with 3-5-3 with the option of going 4-4-2 late on if needed
              3-5-3 is a great shout, shame it is slightly against the rules.

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                #8
                Originally posted by MrMichael View Post


                Why would anyone want to change a formation that has brought us a significant upturn in results, and a massive improvement in clean sheets, and now is about to have a proper striker added to it in a fit Sturridge, in order to accommodate flipping Balotelli? Even now, after half a season that this myth of a good Balotelli just waiting to be unlocked still perpetuates itself? Who deserves to get dropped for him? I was almost with you until then Bob

                I really don't like 3 at the back, or at least I didn't in the traditional 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 formation which I believe is inherently flawed at least without the most specific and rare set of players. This 3-4-3 thing Brendan has us playing now is a different animal though and most importantly right now it is getting results. We'll see if it can score enough goals with Sturridge fully back, but I'm not sure you can argue it won't suit him when it has suited Sterling playing furthest forward until now? And regardless it certainly seems not to be letting them in at the other end, this has to be our best defensive run since Rodgers took over.

                Thinking about switching things around again so soon would seem to me to be massively jumping the gun.
                I say we stick to the formation, IMO we lose something going forward when Gerrard is in the team because the formation is built around players like Coutinho and Sterling who a quick and harass the other team. We'll see how it goes against Spurs who are in form and play a good pressing game.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by captainfog View Post
                  Its definitely not the way forward. It has helped made us more solid at the back, but with some proper coaching and organisation then we should be able to achieve that with 2 centre backs. We're also wasting Can and Markovic in this system.

                  Still think diamond is the way forward. We certainly needed to tweek the formation in the second half yesterday.
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                    #10
                    I'm not sure we should change a winning formula, but I agree with most of what you say. Except for the Balotelli bit. I think

                    Thing is, we have one hell of a selection headache now, which is better than the opposite, but still

                    Sturridge comes in, who drops out? Ibe was our best player yesterday, so he's surely pushing for a start

                    Is there no place for our 2nd most expensive signing ever?!

                    It's about time we had problems like these
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by captainfog View Post
                      Its definitely not the way forward. It has helped made us more solid at the back, but with some proper coaching and organisation then we should be able to achieve that with 2 centre backs. We're also wasting Can and Markovic in this system.

                      Still think diamond is the way forward. We certainly needed to tweek the formation in the second half yesterday.
                      I loved the diamond formation of last season, but we simply do not have the players to make it work

                      It would take a huge investment to get the types of players to fit that, and not sure that's gonna happen anytime soon
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chazza View Post
                        3-5-3 is a great shout, shame it is slightly against the rules.
                        Its not against the rules if Balotelli is included in the starting 12.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Fierce View Post
                          I loved the diamond formation of last season, but we simply do not have the players to make it work

                          It would take a huge investment to get the types of players to fit that, and not sure that's gonna happen anytime soon
                          The only difference is we don't have Suarez, so saying we don't have the players doesn't make sense.
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                            #14
                            The balotelli part was a bit of a red herring. I mean me personally I like him and believe he could be very useful in a two with Sturridge. That's me though. I know the majority think he's ****. I can live with that.

                            But like against Bolton, this system seems to be a handicap at times. But it saved our season and probably the managers job. When we have so much of the ball having an extra defensive player isn't going to score unless our set pieces are better, step forward wee cout! Lol.

                            I think its being prepared to go to a 4 mid game or playing a dedicated two whilst sticking to the 3. That's why Johnson in a right centre back gives us the flexibility of changing. Can nor markovic wouldn't be comfortable at right back door instance.

                            Let's see what the future brings us. Its certainly nice being tighter at the back, but after last season, its hard to take, I think I prefer the we score more than you mantra!
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by captainfog View Post
                              The only difference is we don't have Suarez, so saying we don't have the players doesn't make sense.
                              Sturridge aside, the two players most responsible for how we played last season were Suarez and Gerrard
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