Danny Ings

[Roboklopp]

Is it just me who find comments like that somewhat unnecessarily disrespectful? Essentially stating the lad is at league 1 level is nonsense, before signing for us he proved he was capable of being a decent prem striker for a smaller team, with the potential and attitude to develop beyond that. Those injuries perhaps put the mockers on that development, but I'm quite sure there'll be prem teams interested in him this summer if we're selling and he'll do well for them with a real run of games if that does happen.

Seriously, someone potentially not quite being good enough for us does not mean they should be plying their trade in the lower leagues by default, particularly if they have the level of professionalism and heart Danny Ings does.

No it’s not just you.

And he’s not had a fair chance through injuries. Like I’ve said, he should be 5th or 6th choice for a role in the top 3. But he has to earn that. We ain’t given him time to earn it tho!!

[Kenneth]

We have very high standards for players, some players don't make it with us (or other top clubs) but are still good PL players. Ings showed himself to be a good player in a struggling Burnley side, we signed him because he had potential, the injuries have undoubtedly set his career back, and whether he will fulfil that potential who knows. My view at the moment it that he still isn't match fit (after being out for 2 years, it will take months to get back to that level). But if we were to sell him this summer I have no doubt that there would be a string of PL clubs in for him.

Ones who would be battling relagation to the championship. Personally, I don't think he has proven that he can cut is a PL striker, no more than John Stead did, but that doesn't mean he can't. But there is also no convincing reason to believe that he can, people are just hoping he will more than anything. We've treated him well, looked after him snd paid him handsomely during his rehabilitation but he shouldn't be in the first team next season imo, either a sale or loan to a lower PL click would suit everybody. Him included, because he's not going to get the game time he needs to get back to full physical and psychological fitness playing an occasional sub role for us.

[Exiled_red]

Ones who would be battling relagation to the championship. Personally, I don't think he has proven that he can cut is a PL striker, no more than John Stead did, but that doesn't mean he can't. But there is also no convincing reason to believe that he can, people are just hoping he will more than anything. We've treated him well, looked after him snd paid him handsomely during his rehabilitation but he shouldn't be in the first team next season imo, either a sale or loan to a lower PL click would suit everybody. Him included, because he's not going to get the game time he needs to get back to full physical and psychological fitness playing an occasional sub role for us.

Yeah but for most of the season that applies to half of the sides in the league We know that he wouldn't be going to a 6 side, but he could probably play for more or less any other side in the league.

Ok he is not proven in the PL for more than one season, but again that is because he has only had one full season, but he score a goal every 3 games on average for a side that was in a relegation battle that year.

I agree with MrM that the criticism of him is over the top, he seems an honest guy who has worked really hard to get back to fitness after some terrible luck with injuries. It's not like he's a lazy git who doesn't want to play does no work for the team and is just happy to collect his pay packet, if that were the case I could understand the criticism that he is getting.

[RedReet]

Ones who would be battling relagation to the championship. Personally, I don't think he has proven that he can cut is a PL striker, no more than John Stead did, but that doesn't mean he can't. But there is also no convincing reason to believe that he can, people are just hoping he will more than anything. We've treated him well, looked after him snd paid him handsomely during his rehabilitation but he shouldn't be in the first team next season imo, either a sale or loan to a lower PL click would suit everybody. Him included, because he's not going to get the game time he needs to get back to full physical and psychological fitness playing an occasional sub role for us.

In his first and only full season in the PL he scored 11 in 35. Not great but exactly the same as Firmino last year, 7 more than Vardy in his first year, more than Rooney ever scored for Everton before securing a move to United and the same as he got in his first year there.

He may not be the same player after injury, time will tell, but on the limited evidence we have you can only say he has proven he can play in PL. Until he plays more, you can't really argue otherwise.

[RedReet]

Yeah but for most of the season that applies to half of the sides in the league We know that he wouldn't be going to a 6 side, but he could probably play for more or less any other side in the league.

Ok he is not proven in the PL for more than one season, but again that is because he has only had one full season, but he score a goal every 3 games on average for a side that was in a relegation battle that year.

I agree with MrM that the criticism of him is over the top, he seems an honest guy who has worked really hard to get back to fitness after some terrible luck with injuries. It's not like he's a lazy git who doesn't want to play does no work for the team and is just happy to collect his pay packet, if that were the case I could understand the criticism that he is getting.

[Kenneth]

In his first and only full season in the PL he scored 11 in 35. Not great but exactly the same as Firmino last year, 7 more than Vardy in his first year, more than Rooney ever scored for Everton before securing a move to United and the same as he got in his first year there.

He may not be the same player after injury, time will tell, but on the limited evidence we have you can only say he has proven he can play in PL. Until he plays more, you can't really argue otherwise.

Come on, you can't use Wayne Rooney as a child to compare. Or Firmino who wasn't playing as a striker. He scored 11 goals playing week in, week out, so many players come up, do similar and then disappear back into a decent career in the championship and below, far more than kick on and become good PL strikers over a number of years and a far more likely scenario had we not bought him imo.

[RedReet]

Come on, you can't use Wayne Rooney as a child to compare. Or Firmino who wasn't playing as a striker. He scored 11 goals playing week in, week out, so many players come up, do similar and then disappear back into a decent career in the championship and below, far more than kick on and become good PL strikers over a number of years and a far more likely scenario had we not bought him imo.

By the age Rooney scored more goals (16) he wasn't much younger than Ings and the following seasons his record wasn't much better than Ings 11 (14, 12, 12). Firmino was playing CF last year.

I was specifically meant to highlight the point you made about you made about Ings never proving he can cut it in the PL. (Corrected now)

Those were just particular examples to emphasise the point and like the 'many players' you reference, not really relevant to Ings. My main point was that with the limited evidence we have to work with, Ings has shown he can cut it in the PL. Saying he can't is ignoring the evidence and forming an opinion based on your own perception.

[Kenneth]

He's shown he can score 11 goals playing week in week out in one season. I don't think that's evidence of cutting it as a striker in the PL tbh.

[Red_Polo]

Come on, you can't use Wayne Rooney as a child to compare. Or Firmino who wasn't playing as a striker. He scored 11 goals playing week in, week out, so many players come up, do similar and then disappear back into a decent career in the championship and below, far more than kick on and become good PL strikers over a number of years and a far more likely scenario had we not bought him imo.

Yeah, reality is he's had one satisfactory season at this level at a push. He's not going to be anywhere good enough for us. That's a harsh truth rather than an insult and there's nothing wrong with being championship level, it's far better than I will ever be. He's clearly a sound guy, I wish him well, but I don't think we should persevere with him.

[vlahka]

Is it just me who find comments like that somewhat unnecessarily disrespectful? Essentially stating the lad is at league 1 level is nonsense, before signing for us he proved he was capable of being a decent prem striker for a smaller team, with the potential and attitude to develop beyond that. Those injuries perhaps put the mockers on that development, but I'm quite sure there'll be prem teams interested in him this summer if we're selling and he'll do well for them with a real run of games if that does happen.

Seriously, someone potentially not quite being good enough for us does not mean they should be plying their trade in the lower leagues by default, particularly if they have the level of professionalism and heart Danny Ings does.

I dont believe its disrespectful at all. Its possibly tongue in cheek comment though as its easier to say championship level rather than 16th possibly 20th team level. Ignoring his 1 decent season, he isnt that spectacular. We can bring up many examples of past strikers who have come here who never looked the part. I'll mention Carroll as example. Cost heaps, did 1 good season, but you could see he was never going to do well here because our style is much different. Compare movement of say Salah, Mane, Firmino, not their goals, just the way they move. Carroll never did that. Ings doesnt do that either. Theres no real intelligence there, only drive. That will only get you so far.

[peekay]

He's shown he can score 11 goals playing week in week out in one season. I don't think that's evidence of cutting it as a striker in the PL tbh.

If you look at the PL top scorers table, players who tend to score more than 11 goals tend to play for the top 6 clubs. For many mid to lower level PL club, a striker who scores more than 10 goals is gold dust. Could be the difference between comfortable mid table position and a relegation fight.

[rudedog]

Ings could turn out to be a half decent player but it's difficult to see him getting the game time he needs.

Loan or permanent move would be best for his development at this stage of his career.

[Zapater]

A few people are saying that we loan him out. I don't really see how that's an option. Either he stays as back up or he's sold. The only reason he should be loaned out is if we can't sell him, or if we're hoping to raise his asking price. Loaning out a player who is 26 in a couple of months makes no sense. He may prove fitness but he's not going to come back a better player.

Yeah, reality is he's had one satisfactory season at this level at a push. He's not going to be anywhere good enough for us. That's a harsh truth rather than an insult and there's nothing wrong with being championship level, it's far better than I will ever be. He's clearly a sound guy, I wish him well, but I don't think we should persevere with him.

Wholeheartedly agree. It seems pretty straight forward to me. Not sure why people are so aggressive about this situation and want him to stay so much. For his duration at the club, he's hardly played and has been injured for the majority of the time. When he has played he hasn't looked like a player who has much of a purpose here.

[Phoenix07]

He should've been loaned out in January. but we were lacking bodies anyway, so that didn't become a serious option, especially with Sturridge also sent out on loan.

[RedReet]

He's shown he can score 11 goals playing week in week out in one season. I don't think that's evidence of cutting it as a striker in the PL tbh.

Which for a young player, in his debut season, playing for a team who got relegated isn't bad. Burnley are on the brink of achieving European football this year, the same level we were at when we signed Ings and they still don't have a player on 11 goals and haven't done since Ings left. We are not even talking about European standard here, you are suggesting he is Championship level. That's despite the fact that plenty of PL scouts and managers wanted to sign him, including Spurs who were willing to pay Burnley even though he was nearly out of contract. Even after his injuries, there have been queues of clubs enquiring about him. What are they all missing that you aren't, that makes them think he can cut it?


So out of curiosity, if we were to sell Ings this summer, do you think he would go to a PL or a Championship club?