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    Benitez and Gerrard - Will it all end in tears ?

    Bar a sixth European Cup, one of the two will leave in the summer, I’m sure of it.

    Dress it up all you like, many forums, friends and fans have tried, but these two men just don’t blend, either personally or professionally. The increasing urgency of the situation between them is growing, dare I say, even expanding, with every poor result, or twisted media comment that passes, it’s futile attempting to brush it under the carpet now, it may as well be addressed head on and some form of beneficial conclusion, hopefully met.

    Rafa's cold, stubborn, rather robotic style of man management doesn't suit Stevie, either as a player, or as a personality, if he had any level of versatility whatsoever, Rafa Benitez would adapt his personal approach and deal with Gerrard accordingly, that is, after all, a fundamental element of being a top manager for a massive club, is it not ? Dealing with world class players, and ultimately keeping them happy at all costs, especially if you only possess ONE player, so 'head and shoulders' above the rest, in a squad littered with a who’s who generally labeled, ‘not good enough’, ‘might be good enough’ and ‘never were good enough’…..

    In turn, Stevie appears over sensitive, self indulgent and has apparently started believing his own ridiculous, media fuelled, Andy Gray stimulated hype. Let’s face it, he’s arrogant, and probably has every right to be. At 26 years of age what he’s achieved for this football club, often defies belief, so if he wants his self-esteem massaged and his self-image pumped once in a while, either publicly or privately, **** it Rafa, break the mould, swallow your pride and treat the lad, he deserves it.

    Perhaps a more fundamental question is, whether Stevie (or should I say Stevie’s ego) has ever recovered from the fact that Rafa was fully and unflinchingly prepared to cash in on the captain, merely weeks after such a pivotal role in the greatest night in this club’s history ? Parry and Rafa would have us presume Gerrard had been gratuitously swept along by his own raging insecurities over the stalling of his new contract, I don’t necessarily buy that, I think Rafa would have quite happily waved goodbye to the skipper that summer, after all, we are led to believe (to quote Balague) that Rafa had ‘given up’ trying to convince Stevie to stay put and it was a 3am, panicky phone call to Moores, declaring his love for the club, that eventually meant he followed his heart, not his head, and stayed at Liverpool football club.

    I think Rafa knows he cant announce to the world he wants Stevie gone, the fans simply wouldn’t have it, so, slowly but surely, he’s forcing, squeezing Stevie out of the picture, it's sly, and it's an ambitious theory, but I for one dont think it's too far from the truth.

    Where exactly would Rafa be without Stevie though, eh ? It’s an interesting question.

    Probably without a European Cup and almost certainly without an FA Cup to his name, that’s for sure. You could even make a (strong) case to suggest that without Gerrard, Benitez would no longer be at Liverpool football club. Over dramatic? No, I don’t think so.

    Quite where the ‘real’ Steven Gerrard lies, I have no idea. Rafa now claims Stevie is more ‘complete’ footballer, personally, I preferred him when he was rawer. The last six months of Houllier’s tenure for me represent Stevie’s best ever form, and that includes last season.

    Where that brooding, brilliant, quasi feral scouser has gone, God only knows. Where are the (often two footed) tackles these days? I haven’t seen one for weeks, nay, months. Where’s the kid without a care for reputations or names, the fist pumping celebrations, the lung bursting runs. Has anyone even seen him even mutter a single word to a team mate on the pitch recently ?! **** that, has anyone even seen him smile ?! He has looked subdued, muted and rather limp, almost….dare I say it ? Resigned to something. He’s not happy. Not on the center, not on the left and certainly not on the right.

    To sum up, in a round-about way, I strongly suspect, one of these two proud men, the scouser and the man from Madrid, will pack their bags and leave in the summer, for me, if your manager and your captain don’t get on, the only way forward, is for one of them to depart.

    Whilst my heart hopes and prays it’s not Stevie, my head is perfectly aware it’s unlikely to be Benitez.

    #2
    It will come to ahead and one of them will leave and i think Rafa has the balls to let him go.

    He's not playing well if you look at it Sven acomadated him in the England team McClaren is doing it now and Rafa is doing it as well hes a great player but not World Class

    He cant control a game like Xabi i just dont know anymore he gives off this "you should all worship me" attitude in the team which i dont like.

    I hope he picks up and plays but more and more often these days it seems to be where does Stevie play everything is centred around him. There is a squad of 20-30 players and i think they should not be forgetten about
    Last edited by thesilverfoxlfc; 19-11-06, 02:21 PM.
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      #3
      If you read Chronos Bad news thread, it could be that their ways will cross later.
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        #4
        Originally posted by anfieldanfield
        Bar a sixth European Cup, one of the two will leave in the summer, I’m sure of it.

        Dress it up all you like, many forums, friends and fans have tried, but these two men just don’t blend, either personally or professionally. The increasing urgency of the situation between them is growing, dare I say, even expanding, with every poor result, or twisted media comment that passes, it’s futile attempting to brush it under the carpet now, it may as well be addressed head on and some form of beneficial conclusion, hopefully met.

        Rafa's cold, stubborn, rather robotic style of man management doesn't suit Stevie, either as a player, or as a personality, if he had any level of versatility whatsoever, Rafa Benitez would adapt his personal approach and deal with Gerrard accordingly, that is, after all, a fundamental element of being a top manager for a massive club, is it not ? Dealing with world class players, and ultimately keeping them happy at all costs, especially if you only possess ONE player, so 'head and shoulders' above the rest, in a squad littered with a who’s who generally labeled, ‘not good enough’, ‘might be good enough’ and ‘never were good enough’…..

        In turn, Stevie appears over sensitive, self indulgent and has apparently started believing his own ridiculous, media fuelled, Andy Gray stimulated hype. Let’s face it, he’s arrogant, and probably has every right to be. At 26 years of age what he’s achieved for this football club, often defies belief, so if he wants his self-esteem massaged and his self-image pumped once in a while, either publicly or privately, **** it Rafa, break the mould, swallow your pride and treat the lad, he deserves it.

        Perhaps a more fundamental question is, whether Stevie (or should I say Stevie’s ego) has ever recovered from the fact that Rafa was fully and unflinchingly prepared to cash in on the captain, merely weeks after such a pivotal role in the greatest night in this club’s history ? Parry and Rafa would have us presume Gerrard had been gratuitously swept along by his own raging insecurities over the stalling of his new contract, I don’t necessarily buy that, I think Rafa would have quite happily waved goodbye to the skipper that summer, after all, we are led to believe (to quote Balague) that Rafa had ‘given up’ trying to convince Stevie to stay put and it was a 3am, panicky phone call to Moores, declaring his love for the club, that eventually meant he followed his heart, not his head, and stayed at Liverpool football club.

        I think Rafa knows he cant announce to the world he wants Stevie gone, the fans simply wouldn’t have it, so, slowly but surely, he’s forcing, squeezing Stevie out of the picture, it's sly, and it's an ambitious theory, but I for one dont think it's too far from the truth.
        Where exactly would Rafa be without Stevie though, eh ? It’s an interesting question.



        Probably without a European Cup and almost certainly without an FA Cup to his name, that’s for sure. You could even make a (strong) case to suggest that without Gerrard, Benitez would no longer be at Liverpool football club. Over dramatic? No, I don’t think so.

        Quite where the ‘real’ Steven Gerrard lies, I have no idea. Rafa now claims Stevie is more ‘complete’ footballer, personally, I preferred him when he was rawer. The last six months of Houllier’s tenure for me represent Stevie’s best ever form, and that includes last season.

        Where that brooding, brilliant, quasi feral scouser has gone, God only knows. Where are the (often two footed) tackles these days? I haven’t seen one for weeks, nay, months. Where’s the kid without a care for reputations or names, the fist pumping celebrations, the lung bursting runs. Has anyone even seen him even mutter a single word to a team mate on the pitch recently ?! **** that, has anyone even seen him smile ?! He has looked subdued, muted and rather limp, almost….dare I say it ? Resigned to something. He’s not happy. Not on the center, not on the left and certainly not on the right.

        To sum up, in a round-about way, I strongly suspect, one of these two proud men, the scouser and the man from Madrid, will pack their bags and leave in the summer, for me, if your manager and your captain don’t get on, the only way forward, is for one of them to depart.

        Whilst my heart hopes and prays it’s not Stevie, my head is perfectly aware it’s unlikely to be Benitez.





        That is a bloody good post, with some good points raised in it. I expect only one of the two to be at the club by the end of next summer. I think Stevie will be heading to Italy or Spain for £30/40 million. In my opinion, the fact that Stevie stayed threw a spanner in Rafa's plans for the club, and he has been trying to accommodate him ever since. The highlighted paragraph is, for me, probably very close to the truth.
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          #5
          Originally posted by thesilverfoxlfc
          He cant control a game like Xabi
          Gerrard is ten times the player Xabi is.

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            #6
            Originally posted by anfieldanfield
            Gerrard is ten times the player Xabi is.
            Nah not ten times
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              #7
              this has become a debate between those how favor Rafa and those who favor Stevie, it's either Rafa is ruining Stevie or Stevie is the reason Rafa can't do his job...

              i won't get into this silly debate, as i don't know the facts and every opinion the choosing of whom you favor is based on pure speculation, only thing i know is that i would be sad to loose either of them...

              who ever goes will have no baring on the decision that i have made and will live with through out the rest of my life, that i love Liverpool Football Club trough thick and thin and no single player or manager will change that...

              let's just wait and see what happens...
              "I have decided to escape, to defy the shogun. Today I will begin walking the road to hell. But you will choose your own path. So, soon you may be seeing heaven. Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

              "You would've been happier if you'd chosen to join your mother in her world. " - Ogami Itto

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                #8
                Originally posted by Jaco_Pastorious
                That is a bloody good post, with some good points raised in it. I expect only one of the two to be at the club by the end of next summer. I think Stevie will be heading to Italy or Spain for £30/40 million. In my opinion, the fact that Stevie stayed threw a spanner in Rafa's plans for the club, and he has been trying to accommodate him ever since. The highlighted paragraph is, for me, probably very close to the truth.
                Where exactly would Rafa be without Stevie though, eh ? It’s an interesting question.

                Is indeed an interesting question. Well pointed out AA
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by thesilverfoxlfc
                  It will come to ahead and one of them will leave and i think Rafa has the balls to let him go.

                  He's not playing well if you look at it Sven acomadated him in the England team McClaren is doing it now and Rafa is doing it as well hes a great player but not World Class

                  He cant control a game like Xabi i just dont know anymore he gives off this "you should all worship me" attitude in the team which i dont like.

                  I hope he picks up and plays but more and more often these days it seems to be where does Stevie play everything is centred around him. There is a squad of 20-30 players and i think they should not be forgetten about
                  Sven did not accommodate Gerrard. He played him stupidly deep like the negative toss he is. If he accommodated anyone it was Lampshade.

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                    #10
                    Without Rafa Stevie would already be gone, he stayed because of the Champions League win and that wouldn't have happened without Rafa either.

                    Rafa is the boss and what he says goes.

                    I want Stevie to stay forever but he has to toe the line the same as any other player.

                    If you commit mutiny then you must walk the plank. Whoever you are.
                    CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP DALGLISH!

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                      #11
                      and with out stevie rafa wouldn't be here, liverpool wouldn't have been in the same state as it was when he took over when rafa came, we wouldn't have been as attractive option with out him, and a houlier side with out him, would be worth piss...
                      "I have decided to escape, to defy the shogun. Today I will begin walking the road to hell. But you will choose your own path. So, soon you may be seeing heaven. Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

                      "You would've been happier if you'd chosen to join your mother in her world. " - Ogami Itto

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by fatistuta
                        Without Rafa Stevie would already be gone, he stayed because of the Champions League win and that wouldn't have happened without Rafa either.

                        Rafa is the boss and what he says goes.

                        I want Stevie to stay forever but he has to toe the line the same as any other player.

                        If you commit mutiny then you must walk the plank. Whoever you are.
                        So, if push came to shove, you would prefer to see Stevie leave before Rafa ?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by anfieldanfield
                          Bar a sixth European Cup, one of the two will leave in the summer, I’m sure of it.

                          Dress it up all you like, many forums, friends and fans have tried, but these two men just don’t blend, either personally or professionally. The increasing urgency of the situation between them is growing, dare I say, even expanding, with every poor result, or twisted media comment that passes, it’s futile attempting to brush it under the carpet now, it may as well be addressed head on and some form of beneficial conclusion, hopefully met.

                          Rafa's cold, stubborn, rather robotic style of man management doesn't suit Stevie, either as a player, or as a personality, if he had any level of versatility whatsoever, Rafa Benitez would adapt his personal approach and deal with Gerrard accordingly, that is, after all, a fundamental element of being a top manager for a massive club, is it not ? Dealing with world class players, and ultimately keeping them happy at all costs, especially if you only possess ONE player, so 'head and shoulders' above the rest, in a squad littered with a who’s who generally labeled, ‘not good enough’, ‘might be good enough’ and ‘never were good enough’…..

                          In turn, Stevie appears over sensitive, self indulgent and has apparently started believing his own ridiculous, media fuelled, Andy Gray stimulated hype. Let’s face it, he’s arrogant, and probably has every right to be. At 26 years of age what he’s achieved for this football club, often defies belief, so if he wants his self-esteem massaged and his self-image pumped once in a while, either publicly or privately, **** it Rafa, break the mould, swallow your pride and treat the lad, he deserves it.

                          Perhaps a more fundamental question is, whether Stevie (or should I say Stevie’s ego) has ever recovered from the fact that Rafa was fully and unflinchingly prepared to cash in on the captain, merely weeks after such a pivotal role in the greatest night in this club’s history ? Parry and Rafa would have us presume Gerrard had been gratuitously swept along by his own raging insecurities over the stalling of his new contract, I don’t necessarily buy that, I think Rafa would have quite happily waved goodbye to the skipper that summer, after all, we are led to believe (to quote Balague) that Rafa had ‘given up’ trying to convince Stevie to stay put and it was a 3am, panicky phone call to Moores, declaring his love for the club, that eventually meant he followed his heart, not his head, and stayed at Liverpool football club.

                          I think Rafa knows he cant announce to the world he wants Stevie gone, the fans simply wouldn’t have it, so, slowly but surely, he’s forcing, squeezing Stevie out of the picture, it's sly, and it's an ambitious theory, but I for one dont think it's too far from the truth.

                          Where exactly would Rafa be without Stevie though, eh ? It’s an interesting question.

                          Probably without a European Cup and almost certainly without an FA Cup to his name, that’s for sure. You could even make a (strong) case to suggest that without Gerrard, Benitez would no longer be at Liverpool football club. Over dramatic? No, I don’t think so.

                          Quite where the ‘real’ Steven Gerrard lies, I have no idea. Rafa now claims Stevie is more ‘complete’ footballer, personally, I preferred him when he was rawer. The last six months of Houllier’s tenure for me represent Stevie’s best ever form, and that includes last season.

                          Where that brooding, brilliant, quasi feral scouser has gone, God only knows. Where are the (often two footed) tackles these days? I haven’t seen one for weeks, nay, months. Where’s the kid without a care for reputations or names, the fist pumping celebrations, the lung bursting runs. Has anyone even seen him even mutter a single word to a team mate on the pitch recently ?! **** that, has anyone even seen him smile ?! He has looked subdued, muted and rather limp, almost….dare I say it ? Resigned to something. He’s not happy. Not on the center, not on the left and certainly not on the right.

                          To sum up, in a round-about way, I strongly suspect, one of these two proud men, the scouser and the man from Madrid, will pack their bags and leave in the summer, for me, if your manager and your captain don’t get on, the only way forward, is for one of them to depart.

                          Whilst my heart hopes and prays it’s not Stevie, my head is perfectly aware it’s unlikely to be Benitez.
                          Sorry don't want to say this just because it's AA but i've never come across a more negative, despressing forum poster ever.
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                            #14
                            Has AA spoken to Rafa or SG?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by anfieldanfield
                              So, if push came to shove, you would prefer to see Stevie leave before Rafa ?
                              Yes.
                              RAFA! RAFAEL! RAFA! RAFAEL! RAFA! RAFAEL! RAFAEL BENITEZ!

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