[PL] Newcastle Utd (A): Post Match

[danperkins]

They outworked and outfought us but simply put, we were just ****e today. It happens.

[danperkins]

Also think our two fullbacks need a breather, over played.

[redmike65]

Anyone know if Brad Smith is able to play against Sion?

[Lecter]

Allen played well again. But Lucas was beyond ****. Hope it's just a one off.

I thought Allen was complete ****e

Out muscled constantly, gave ball away too much and when he did pass it was side to side and backwards

I just don't get what he offers to the side on a consistent basis. He doesn't won enough possession and he doesn't affect the play enough at the top end

He shouldn't start another Premier league game

[Phoenix07]

I don't expect Allen to be here next season. With Graeme Kelly suggesting extremely strong interest in Ruben Neves, and with Can and Henderson in our ranks (also Lucas), I'd be amazed if he was kept on. I think anything positive said about him by Klopp will be to maximise performances until he can get rid.

[BigChief]

I thought Allen was complete ****e

Out muscled constantly, gave ball away too much and when he did pass it was side to side and backwards

I just don't get what he offers to the side on a consistent basis. He doesn't won enough possession and he doesn't affect the play enough at the top end

He shouldn't start another Premier league game

That's not a surprise Lecter.

[Liverpel]

Anyone know if Brad Smith is able to play against Sion?

Liverpool have named their squad for the Europa League group stage – and there is no place for Jose Enrique.

The Spaniard, who has been frozen out at Anfield, is not among the 21-man list which was submitted to Uefa this week.

His is the only notable omission, with the likes of Philippe Coutinho, Christian Benteke and Jordan Henderson all named. Daniel Sturridge, who is edging closer to a return to full training, is also on the list.

Jordon Ibe is not on the list, but will still be eligible for the group stage as he is on the Reds’ B-list.

Under Uefa rules, a player can be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1994 and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with UEFA.

Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption. Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B during the season.

Liverpool have been drawn in Group B of this season’s Europa League, alongside Bordeaux, Rubin Kazan and FC Sion. They will kick off their campaign away to Bordeaux on Thursday 17 September.

Full squad: Mignolet, Bogdan, Clyne, Gomez, Toure, Lovren, Moreno, Sakho, Skrtel, Lucas, Henderson, Milner, Can, Allen, Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino, Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Benteke


Not sure if this answers your question.

[Lecter]

That's not a surprise Lecter.

No its not

I have been consistent in my criticism of him, Lovren and even Brendan of the last year or so

Maybe I am wide of the mark but somehow I doubt it

I am tempted to add Benteke to that list as well as I don't think he will make it either

[Lecter]

I don't expect Allen to be here next season. With Graeme Kelly suggesting extremely strong interest in Ruben Neves, and with Can and Henderson in our ranks (also Lucas), I'd be amazed if he was kept on. I think anything positive said about him by Klopp will be to maximise performances until he can get rid.

Agreed

One thing about Klopp is he doesn't criticise players openly but I think there are clearly players who won't survive. IMO Allen will be one of them

[Rich]

The front 3 didn't work together at all, this meant that Lucas, Allen and Milner struggled to find them. Bad performance and so individual shockers. Oh well it's good for Klopp to see.

[mick the click]

Having just watched MOTD2 I have concluded that Mr Lawrenson ought to afford himself some more generously cut shirts.

[Daniel 7]

I thought Allen was complete ****e

Out muscled constantly, gave ball away too much and when he did pass it was side to side and backwards

I just don't get what he offers to the side on a consistent basis. He doesn't won enough possession and he doesn't affect the play enough at the top end

He shouldn't start another Premier league game

He wasn't that bad, but he wasn't good either. He looks like someone's younger brother playing in an age group above, constantly barged over, trampled and bullied. He's too weak.

[Helios Creed]

I'm not convinced by Benteke - when he starts apart from the odd moment, we're not much more of a threat than last year - he's a good sub though. And if you do play him, why not play Origi who can play round him with pace and is used to him. And no Cout through injury and no Lallana either. Weird team selection. Static uncreative midfield with a mis-matched static pair up front. Maybe we should have started as we finished and brought Benteke on after 60 mins.

I was bloody looking forward to this as a potentially enjoyable game - typical...

[DannyMan2006]

He wasn't that bad, but he wasn't good either. He looks like someone's younger brother playing in an age group above, constantly barged over, trampled and bullied. He's too weak.

He was sharp in possession but as Lec pointed out isn't that creative. He's a willing worker off the ball but doesn't have the physicality. When the team is ticking he shines, when it's off the boil his limitations show up.

He offered very similar to Lucas today. He looked better in possession but I don't know the stats for defensive work & stats rarely tell the true story anyway. But for me, two lightweight players as your two DM's just doesn't cut it in the premier league.

Allen & Can, fine.
Lucas & Can, fine.
Lucas & Allen, oh dear.

It's not that they're particularly bad players, it's just as a combination they don't work. Midweek we played a sort of diamond and Lucas at the base with Allen & Can wider was fine.

It's my similar arguments for further up the pitch today. The combinations just weren't right.

[DannyMan2006]

I'm not convinced by Benteke - when he starts apart from the odd moment, we're not much more of a threat than last year - he's a good sub though. And if you do play him, why not play Origi who can play round him with pace and is used to him. And no Cout through injury and no Lallana either. Weird team selection. Static uncreative midfield with a mis-matched static pair up front. Maybe we should have started as we finished and brought Benteke on after 60 mins.

I was bloody looking forward to this as a potentially enjoyable game - typical...

I think if you're playing Benteke you need to have a partner up there with him or pace coming in from either deep or out wide. Having said that I saw three golden chances for him today.

The miss from the corner is the obvious one. Less so is that when Allen took a strike from 20 yards as it came across his body, Benteke was clear on goal with a simple 6 yard pass. Also a wild strike from Firmino, Benteke was isolating a NUFC defender at the back post. A decent dink in from RF and Chris has a very good chance.

To me the players today were expecting things from their team mates that just aren't going to happen. RF looks like he's missing Couts whilst Benteke is wondering why RF keeps trying to do that quick inter change when all Chris wants to do is knock it down and run on.