No Money - But Why?

[Nic83]

Where has it all gone? Let's compare ourselves to other 'big clubs' for a minute. Forget about Chelsea as Abrahmovic has taken them into a financial institution of their own. But if we look at Arsenal and UTD, we will see exactly where we are going wrong.

We bring in so many millions a year in gate receipts, prize money, TV revenue etc ALA Arsenal and Man UTD and along with the Mancs, we are arguably the most famous club in the world and thus, generate many millions a year in merchandising.

So why is it then that we seem to have considerably less money in the transfer market than the other 2, year in, year out?

I'll tell you why. Player profits my friends, player profits. It's all about maximising your assets. Football these days is no longer just a sport, it's now a business.

Take a look at our transfer fees recieved/money blown ratio. It is ridiculous at best. What on earth is going on behind the scenes? Are the financial aspects of the club being run properly at all, i ask myself? Or are we just plain unlucky in the transfer market? Surely not. Every player we sell (bar the odd few) is sold at a loss - Sometimes a loss of immense proportions.

Take Heskey and Diouf.

Expenditure : 20mil +

Income on sell on = 6/7mil approx.

What the **** is going on here then?

We spend 8mil on Pennant who, if resold a whole 4 months later would fetch about a quarter of that. If we go through the squad over the last few years, the list of player losses (financial)is endless.

Cheyrou
Diao
Heskey
Diouf
Berger
Cisse
Baros
kirkland
Josemi/ KK........
ETC... ...........

The list is endless, wheras Arsenal can make a 20mil+ profit on Nicolas ****ing Anelka.

Even worse, three of our best homegrown talents over the last 10/15 years in Fowler, Macca and Owen have been sold for a grand total of about 20 mil.

Jesus Christ. At the time they were sold, the total sum of money they were worth in this days transfer market must be close to 50mil. 50mil and we get ****ing 20!

Now, what does all this money we should have saved, equate to? Well it equates to Wayne Rooney, Fernando Torres and a couple more of that calibre, that's what. (not essentially those exact players but WORLD CLASS players).

Does the problem lie in our scouting department? The boardroom - Are Moores and Parry financial divvies?

Whatever's going on, there's something rotten behind closed doors at Anfield and maybe this supposed new investment and a whole shift around of the club,off the field, is what's needed.

[Red Chilli]

We're trying/committed to build a new stadium. Compare us to Arsenal, money wise.

[Nic83]

It's been the same for year's mate. Way before there were any plans for a new stadium.

[Morph]

No, the problem lies in the fact that:

Our stadium has 30,000 and 15,000 less seats than Man U and Arsenal

Man U are massive overseas in places like Asia, we are big but nowehere near them

Our marketing department is ****e

We charge a lot less for tickets than the likes of Arsenal

You can factor in the ****e buys that Houllier made, but that doesn't account for any lack of money we have now, that just accounts for the money we didn't have at the time Houllier was here.

[Fowler_God]

Good post i thought.
It seems other clubs realise the right time to release players to get the maxium value. Beckham, Anelka, Van Horse, overmars, petit, ince, etc etc etc. Even the mancs got over THREE MILLION for a then 32 year old Gary pallister!

Where-as we hold on too long or seem to buckle on our demands for a player.

[Neil Young]

Fowler_God - how about the money Leeds paid for you?

If we had been as successful in recent years as Man U and Arsenal have been then maybe our departing players would be in greater demand. Maybe none of them is actually worth all that much.

[Nic83]

No, the problem lies in the fact that:

Our stadium has 30,000 and 15,000 less seats than Man U and Arsenal

Man U are massive overseas in places like Asia, we are big but nowehere near them

Our marketing department is ****e

We charge a lot less for tickets than the likes of Arsenal

You can factor in the ****e buys that Houllier made, but that doesn't account for any lack of money we have now, that just accounts for the money we didn't have at the time Houllier was here.

Arsenal had 5,000 less seats than us up until now.

And, if we'd made profits on our player sales, we'd obviously be a lot better off financially now.

Some of your other points are right though.

[Nic83]

Good post i thought.
It seems other clubs realise the right time to release players to get the maxium value. Beckham, Anelka, Van Horse, overmars, petit, ince, etc etc etc. Even the mancs got over THREE MILLION for a then 32 year old Gary pallister!

Where-as we hold on too long or seem to buckle on our demands for a player.

Spot on.

[FatTony]

Its down to all that but you've failed to add attenance figures which bring Manure an average of £800,000 per game more, or £15.3M per year. But then you have to factor in Fergies whiskey addiction.

We're always amateurs when it comes to dealing with the business side of things, the board need to sort it out.

[Nic83]

Fowler_God - how about the money Leeds paid for you?

If we had been as successful in recent years as Man U and Arsenal have been then maybe our departing players would be in greater demand. Maybe none of them is actually worth all that much.

which (like i said) would mean something going wrong in the scouting department, Moores and parry doing ****ty business or most probably, both.

[Nic83]

Its down to all that but you've failed to add attenance figures which bring Manure an average of £800,000 per game more, or £15.3M per year.

We're always amateurs when it comes to dealing with the business side of things.

But what about Arsenal? They had 5,000 less seats up until this season.

[Neil Young]

which (like i said) would mean something going wrong in the scouting department, Moores and parry doing ****ty business or most probably, both.

I think it points more to the former than the latter to be honest. I'm sure mistakes have also been made by the suits though.

[FatTony]

But what about Arsenal? They had 5,000 less seats up until this season.

Wenger is the king of bargain transfers, that and they have some very well financed board members.

[famasfilms]

Even worse, three of our best homegrown talents over the last 10/15 years in Fowler, Macca and Owen have been sold for a grand total of about 10 mil.

What a terrible, terrible post, the above quote being the best example of just how bad the post was.

Fowler went for £11m, and Owen for £8m plus Nunez, so straight away thats £20m plus.

The money for Owen allowed us to buy Alonso, and we would later re-sign Fowler for free!

[redlancer]

Man U are massive overseas in places like Asia, we are big but nowehere near them

and how many sales over there are blackmarket.
didn't scum shut a shop in singapore or somewhere.

scum sold there sole just as the big money came in.
arses have a knack of selling thier players a year before they become scrap and BUT have replacements.
the above 2 have also had a lot of stability re managers and have made mistakes and lost money.
But in Wenger you have a manger that will go down as a top bargain hunter.
his top signings also took a year or so to bed in would they have that time now? WOuld they also be the lost money on.