No Money - But Why?

[Nic83]

What a terrible, terrible post, the above quote being the best example of just how bad the post was.

Fowler went for £11m, and Owen for £8m plus Nunez, so straight away thats £20m plus.

The money for Owen allowed us to buy Alonso, and we would later re-sign Fowler for free!

OK, so I made a mistake with the Fowler fee.

*Edits*

Are you GRJT in disguise?

Can you please tell me why it's such a "terrible terrible post"?

:whatever:

[Craig_H]

Where has it all gone? Let's compare ourselves to other 'big clubs' for a minute. Forget about Chelsea as Abrahmovic has taken them into a financial institution of their own. But if we look at Arsenal and UTD, we will see exactly where we are going wrong.

We bring in so many millions a year in gate receipts, prize money, TV revenue etc ALA Arsenal and Man UTD and along with the Mancs, we are arguably the most famous club in the world and thus, generate many millions a year in merchandising.

So why is it then that we seem to have considerably less money in the transfer market than the other 2, year in, year out?

I'll tell you why. Player profits my friends, player profits. It's all about maximising your assets. Football these days is no longer just a sport, it's now a business.

Take a look at our transfer fees recieved/money blown ratio. It is ridiculous at best. What on earth is going on behind the scenes? Are the financial aspects of the club being run properly at all, i ask myself? Or are we just plain unlucky in the transfer market? Surely not. Every player we sell (bar the odd few) is sold at a loss - Sometimes a loss of immense proportions.

Take Heskey and Diouf.

Expenditure : 20mil +

Income on sell on = 6/7mil approx.

What the **** is going on here then?

We spend 8mil on Pennant who, if resold a whole 4 months later would fetch about a quarter of that. If we go through the squad over the last few years, the list of player losses (financial)is endless.

Cheyrou
Diao
Heskey
Diouf
Berger
Cisse
Baros
kirkland
Josemi/ KK........
ETC... ...........

The list is endless, wheras Arsenal can make a 20mil+ profit on Nicolas ****ing Anelka.

Even worse, three of our best homegrown talents over the last 10/15 years in Fowler, Macca and Owen have been sold for a grand total of about 20 mil.

Jesus Christ. At the time they were sold, the total sum of money they were worth in this days transfer market must be close to 50mil. 50mil and we get ****ing 20!

Now, what does all this money we should have saved, equate to? Well it equates to Wayne Rooney, Fernando Torres and a couple more of that calibre, that's what. (not essentially those exact players but WORLD CLASS players).

Does the problem lie in our scouting department? The boardroom - Are Moores and Parry financial divvies?

Whatever's going on, there's something rotten behind closed doors at Anfield and maybe this supposed new investment and a whole shift around of the club,off the field, is what's needed.

Only selling clubs will sell players at a profit. We'll naturally make a loss for most players we sell, because the reason we're selling them is that they havent been good enough. Consequently, they go for knock down prices. The same applies to United and Arsenal.

So no, that's not why we lack the money. Nice try though.

[Craig_H]

No, the problem lies in the fact that:

Our stadium has 30,000 and 15,000 less seats than Man U and Arsenal

Man U are massive overseas in places like Asia, we are big but nowehere near them

Our marketing department is ****e

We charge a lot less for tickets than the likes of Arsenal

You can factor in the ****e buys that Houllier made, but that doesn't account for any lack of money we have now, that just accounts for the money we didn't have at the time Houllier was here.

Bingo.

[Craig_H]

Arsenal had 5,000 less seats than us up until now.

And, if we'd made profits on our player sales, we'd obviously be a lot better off financially now.

Some of your other points are right though.

All of his points were right.

Arsenal, until now and the next few years havent been better off than us, they just spend more wisely when they do have money. Wenger unearths gems from nowhere, for cheap fees. Our managers havent done this.

Your 'sell-on' argument is basically not that valid.

[Craig_H]

OK, so I made a mistake with the Fowler fee.

*Edits*

Are you GRJT in disguise?

Can you please tell me why it's such a "terrible terrible post"?

:whatever:

It was a poor post, because you were using totally incorrect figures to try and make a point, with some emphasis. The actual figures dont back up your argument too well.

[Nic83]

Only selling clubs will sell players at a profit. We'll naturally make a loss for most players we sell, because the reason we're selling them is that they havent been good enough. Consequently, they go for knock down prices. The same applies to United and Arsenal.

So no, that's not why we lack the money. Nice try though.

It is ONE of the reasons we lack the money as well you know.

Are arsenal a 'selling club'?

Overmars
Vieira
petit
Anelka
Pires?

What about the Italian clubs? Are they all selling clubs? The top teams over there make millions in transfer fees.

[Nic83]

All of his points were right.

Arsenal, until now and the next few years havent been better off than us, they just spend more wisely when they do have money. Wenger unearths gems from nowhere, for cheap fees. Our managers havent done this.

Your 'sell-on' argument is basically not that valid.

"You can factor in the ****e buys that Houllier made, but that doesn't account for any lack of money we have now, that just accounts for the money we didn't have at the time Houllier was here."

So, where would this money be now if we had it, if not spent on players?

In the transfer kitty is where.

[CAD]

No, the problem lies in the fact that:

Our stadium has 30,000 and 15,000 less seats than Man U and Arsenal

Man U are massive overseas in places like Asia, we are big but nowehere near them

Our marketing department is ****e

We charge a lot less for tickets than the likes of Arsenal

You can factor in the ****e buys that Houllier made, but that doesn't account for any lack of money we have now, that just accounts for the money we didn't have at the time Houllier was here.

We were bigger in Asia after the CL win in 2005. I think we still are to be honest.

[Morph]

We were bigger in Asia after the CL win in 2005. I think we still are to be honest.

I'd be highly surprised if that was the case

[CAD]

I'd be highly surprised if that was the case

I recall seing the numbers in Aug 2005 after the CL win. We had added 10 mill fans after the win thus reaching 18 mill worldwide and surpassing United who had about 14. I don't recall the exact numbers for Asia. Has anybody else seen these numbers?

[Morph]

I recall seing the numbers in Aug 2005 after the CL win. We had added 10 mill fans after the win thus reaching 18 mill worldwide and surpassing United who had about 14. I don't recall the exact numbers for Asia. Has anybody else seen these numbers?

i remember the report, but how can anyone justifiably say how many millions of fans there are in place without interviewing all of them. It was just hype at the time.

[CAD]

i remember the report, but how can anyone justifiably say how many millions of fans there are in place without interviewing all of them. It was just hype at the time.

Ahem, quite right

*It was at that moment CAD realised why Morphorino had earned the nick 'Spin Doctor' on Est*

[Craig_H]

I recall seing the numbers in Aug 2005 after the CL win. We had added 10 mill fans after the win thus reaching 18 mill worldwide and surpassing United who had about 14. I don't recall the exact numbers for Asia. Has anybody else seen these numbers?

That 10 million fans thing was sheer bollocks mate.