Loris Karius

[Exiled_red]

I've not played in goal since I was 11 but (apart from having some sort of ability to stop shots and appreciate angles) the key for me has always been to show decisiveness, or "command your area" as the saying goes.

Grobelaar (sp) used to make occasional errors from crosses but that's because he came for everything, even stuff that wasn't his to claim. And to be honest I would prefer to play with a keeper who did that rather than one who came for nothing or only came occasionally. At least you know he's coming.

Goalies have so much protection I can't help thinking that's the way to play. Even if they miss the ball and take the player or take both man and ball together, more often than not the bloke they clatter gets pinged for fouling the them. I certainly can't recall too many pelanties given for goalies wiping out forwards in the air.

Like some have said De Gea has evolved his game (and his physical shape) to deal with English footie so hopefully LK can / will do the same.

Grobbelaar used to come for everything but as far as I can remember he got the ones you would expect him to most of the time (and that was in an era were keepers got much less protection) The ones that Karius flapped at you would expect him to at least get a touch on. I don't want to see my keeper come for everything, because in coming for the ones he has no chance of getting he takes himself out of the game. I don't like the fact that he started to come for something and then changed his mind in at least one occasion, the indecisiveness is perhaps the biggest problem.

[Liverpool]

The De Gea comparison is ****ing nuts, anyone who seen him in Spain knew he was class, hence why his transfer was a british record for a goalie. Karius is ok, i'd be disappointed if he was first choice in a few years unless he moves through the gears. But look at champions elect city their keeper is bang average, Spurs second choice is better. Theres a real lack of talent Neuer has changed the definition of a keeper to be an all rounder, I'm a bit old fashioned and just want a lad who keeps the ball out the net

[G]

Going back to the United game, just read a good point. Karius wasn't picked for Germany so will be working with the squad throughout the break which might make a difference since Mig won't be.

[Fosterbloke]

Going back to the United game, just read a good point. Karius wasn't picked for Germany so will be working with the squad throughout the break which might make a difference since Mig won't be.

With Achtenburg...

[G]

Well that is another consideration but there's been quite a few managers now who haven't sussed that he's apparently ****e so maybe he isn't and it's just a coincidence that keepers don't get better under his tutelage and in some cases get worse.

[Tee]

Has Karius faced a shot that he would be expected to save but didn't yet?

He's in this werid situation now where because he's flapped at some crosses, and he has, he looks ****e, because we have no "goalkeeper" work to compare it with.

What I will say is that compared to Mig he's very good with the ball at his feet, made some very good passes today.

I would completely disagree about his distribution, but as mentioned by others he needs a run of games to settle before we can properly judge him.

[SB]

I think his distribution is ok but he seems to take ages to get his foot to the ball at times & it causes a bit of a heart attack moment which is a concern.

[redmike65]

He's just discovering that everything happens about 15.23455% faster in England, he'll get there.

[poorscousertommy]

It's early days for sure and Klopp does seem to be willing to stick with him but I have not seen much of an improvement over Mingolet yet.

His kicking is atrocious at times. One area we needed improvement and his command of the box does not appear to be any different from Mingolet as yet.

What was he doing for the Palace goal? Dejan cocks it up but Karius comes legging it out and jumps with his hands by his side! Puts his hands up and he has a slight chance of saving that!

As I say it is very early days but we appear top have replaced Mingolet with....Mingolet!

This is not a post to say we should get rid or anything just that I was hoping for more positive signs from him.

Wife likes him like.

[red g]

have to agree, i ididn't know anything about him but remember being quite positive reading this article.....doesnt sound like the keeper we bought though

Loris Karius has been a long-standing target of Jurgen Klopp’s and despite the assurance given to Simon Mignolet in the form of a new five-year deal, his arrival will give the Liverpool No. 1 serious cause for concern about his future at the club. To Mignolet’s credit, he has responded well since signing his contract and has played his part in Liverpool’s Europa League success, but it could be said what he didn’t need was to have the dark cloud of stiff opposition for his place hanging over him the day before a game which could be the club’s gateway to the Champions League. Ill-timed and possibly unsettling at a crucial time, not just in the season but in the club’s history.


Prematurely recalled from an impressive loan spell at Aberdeen, Danny Ward is developing into a confident ‘keeper, proving already that he is more than capable of coping at Premier League level. His next step up in his progression is likely to be another loan deal, but this time at Championship level, to be given a season to gain more experience, rather than risk stunting his development by leaving him a mere spectator from the bench. Huddersfield Town and David Wagner may accommodate him and Klopp’s wishes there.

Providing Mignolet stays, Liverpool will have two genuine competitors for the No. 1 spot. Time will tell whether Klopp sees Karius as a replacement or a competitor but if it is to be the former, what is it in Karius that Klopp sees as an upgrade? Well, there have been two main areas of concern with regards to Mignolet’s play: his ability with the ball at his feet and dealing with crosses. Let’s begin with the first of those.

It’s clear that Karius is more comfortable in possession of the ball. His short to mid-range passing is excellent. He has a calmness when picking passes under pressure, either short to central defenders and midfielders coming deep to receive the ball or with 30-40 yard passes out to full-backs over the head of opposition players.

Over longer distances his striking isn’t so clean, especially from first-time hit back passes. Karius tends to cut under the ball, which gives the kick plenty of height but not a great deal of distance, barely landing into the opponents half. Not such a huge problem on the whole, but if a team presses him and his colleagues aggressively, these kinds of kicks will tend to come straight back and increase the pressure on you.

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The second question mark over Mignolet—his ability to deal with crosses—stems from his conservatively deep position he takes up as the ball is about to come into the box, which often gives himself too much to do in situations when a yard further forward could make so much difference. In this respect, Karius is similar, almost in his six yard box as long balls are played forward or on his line when the ball is in wide areas, but there is a marked difference between the two ‘keepers. Karius’s speed and aggressiveness makes up for his deep positions and often makes good early decisions when coming, be it to clear with his fist and fists or claiming with both hands.

This extra-forceful assertiveness may give him the edge over Mignolet, but because of Klopp’s heavy emphasis on pressing higher up the pitch, it will mean an adjustment in the young German’s starting points and his positions will have to be much more positive—especially when up against teams taking a more direct approach such as the likes of Leicester and West Bromwich Albion.

As a shot-stopper, Karius has a strong, forward balance which makes him difficult to beat from an angle. As simplistic as it may seem, this balance gives him good coverage, keeping him square-on to his opponent, meaning he gets himself in way of the ball. There are times when he gets a little too keen in one-on-one situations and comes too far down the line to the striker when there is no pressure on the ball from a defender, but generally he is strong in these duels. If there is one slight chink in his technical armour, it’s his overly wide stance.

As shots are hit, he jumps into his set position and spreads his legs wider than necessary. This has a positive and negative effect. Any low shots close to him make this stance is favourable for blocking the ball with his feet or for comfortable mid-height shots, but when the ball is low in the bottom corners it makes it difficult to get in enough steps in to get across to the ball. What generally happens is he will end up diving earlier than necessary and having to arc his dive over his hip like a rainbow, rather than get an extra one of two steps across and down quicker to the ball. What also occurs due to this exaggerated stance is that simple shots come away from him or the saves look far more difficult than they should be and the ball gets pushed into dangerous areas.

Looking back at him as a 17-year-old, you can see his stance was very narrow and that is something he has clearly over-corrected that, but at 22 that, and his starting positions, are something that can be worked on and developed over a short space of time. Those apart, he has developed from a rangy, stiff teenager into a more powerful, aggressive and agile keeper and is very much in line with the style of modern goalkeepers Germany are producing.

https://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/experts-view-why-loris-karius-is-an-upgrade-on-simon-mignolet-for-liverpool

[Maxiedge]

Can't put my finger on it but, even though he's made mistakes, they're not the infuriating-complete-****-up types. He seems to have something about him that can't be expressed in words. As sort of lucky aura. I like him

[Shaggy]

It's difficult for a keeper when they have **** all to do almost all the time, but I agree he should've done better for their first goal at the weekend. I read, at half-time during the Palace game, he'd conceded 5 of the 8 shots on target he'd faced up to that point. None of them major howlers but still..........we do always concede so many goals from so few shots against? It's been a problem since Reina went to ****. Lost count of the amount of goals we concede from the very first ****ing shot on target.

[RedReet]

Can't put my finger on it but, even though he's made mistakes, they're not the infuriating-complete-****-up types. He seems to have something about him that can't be expressed in words. As sort of lucky aura. I like him

I think the fact we've won 6, drew 1 in his 7 starts helps.

[The_weatherman]

It's difficult for a keeper when they have **** all to do almost all the time, but I agree he should've done better for their first goal at the weekend. I read, at half-time during the Palace game, he'd conceded 5 of the 8 shots on target he'd faced up to that point. None of them major howlers but still..........we do always concede so many goals from so few shots against? It's been a problem since Reina went to ****. Lost count of the amount of goals we concede from the very first ****ing shot on target.

Maybe, due to the way we play, we are conceding few chances but they tend to be of good quality? If teams manage through our press they tend to get a good chance, and some teams may focus specifically on gettinga set piece chance, because those are the only situations were they have a chance really.

[frank the tank]

I think he will be okay in the medium term.