Loris Karius

[Shaggy]

It's all pointless really, it's done, but this thread is interesting. He's clearly been affected imo

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[Kenneth]

And all the others, fecking tough crowd.

The level of impact has the square root of f'all to getting concussion and if you think being concussed can't affect your judgment & decision making, sight, depth perception, coordination or even hearing, you've probably never been affected by it.

Finally, why shouldn't the club support Karius in this? or is YNWA only for when we win?

The others aren't relevent, the level of impact is clearly a factor, why do you think I think that, and why would I think they shouldn't? All over the place there.

[Liverpool]

before the final, I was fairly happy with him being number 1 next season unless we got in a rockstar of a keeper, loathed to be fickle on 1 game despite its magnitude.

If we cant get or afford Oblak/Allison, no point getting a Butland.

Klopp has given roads back to the first team for Mignolet and Moreno, where it seemed impossible.

[Buzzo]

Ramos is a proper cunt, but the incident in question wasn't a major one looking at the replays. Not an obvious elbow, and not an obviously heavy impact with Karius.

Firstly I do accept this is all moot

But look at the facts, I actually thought Karius had played really well to that point. Then the knock to the head which a specialist now says caused concussion occurs 2 minutes before one of the most baffling things I have ever witnessed on a football pitch.

It has to be a factor.

[Kenneth]

Firstly I do accept this is all moot

But look at the facts, I actually thought Karius had played really well to that point. Then the knock to the head which a specialist now says caused concussion occurs 2 minutes before one of the most baffling things I have ever witnessed on a football pitch.

It has to be a factor.

Or... dodgy keeper is dodgy.

Obviously, concussion exists, obviously, concussion can have a big impact on someone's ability to function, all of that is clear. But I just don't believe he was concussed from the incident, I think he's just ****, uncertain and flappy. The belated concussion diagnosis is a convenient mitigation to protect the player imo. The published grounds for diagnosis sound ropey as **** and I don't think it can be taken as fact. Doctor, I'd like a second opinion. Just my feeling on the matter, we can't really know.

[Buzzo]

Or... dodgy keeper is dodgy.

But concussion did occur, that is now the published opinion of a medical specialist.

Why absolutely deny that it could be a factor? Particularly when the proximity to the event and the fact that Karius had been playing well are taken into account.

you’ve ninja edited since I typed this

As I say, I want us to get a new keeper, but it is didicult to it ignore all of these facts and not feel even more aggrieved.

[Kenneth]

Sorry, tardy edit.

[red g]

I didn't trust him before the game but I think if he is our number 1 next season, the guy is going to get an awful time from opposition fans in every game & one mistake we'll all be talking about how we should have bought another keeper.

I am more concerned that he will be targeted by opposition players, shots flying in from all over the place

[RichC]

Or... dodgy keeper is dodgy.

Obviously, concussion exists, obviously, concussion can have a big impact on someone's ability to function, all of that is clear. But I just don't believe he was concussed from the incident, I think he's just ****, uncertain and flappy. The belated concussion diagnosis is a convenient mitigation to protect the player imo. The published grounds for diagnosis sound ropey as ****. Just my feeling in the matter, we can't really know.

It’s hard to take your opinion on keepers seriously after your staunch defence of Mignolet.

Don’t think Karius is good enough but to dismiss the concussion “because you don’t believe it” is bizarre.

[RichC]

Anyway tough to see how Karius can bounce back from the errors he’s going to get unbelievable grief from every ground we go to next season.

[Shaggy]

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[Buzzo]

I get that mate and getting a concussion is lousy for anyone, I still don't believe that is what cost us the game. I just think he made a howler, just my opinion. The 2nd one was weak hands and it happens most seasons in various leagues. It just seems like a charm offensive to me but I am a cynic at the best of times.

I hate Ramos more than most, I would say he gets away with murder but he has more cards than any other player in the history of La Liga. The problem was we had a weak ref who gave us absolutely nothing, I was worried this would happen before the game. He is a ruthless, snidey scumbag but he is a winner.. win at all costs. Could have bet your mortgage that he would be involved in some sort of drama in the final.

This is the way I see it, harsh or not depending on your view but what happened, happened. Concussion, scans etc won't change the fact that he is going to get a rough ride next season, for a bloke who was already mentally weak.. I do not envy him. He got a concussion, that is fair enough but it does seem like an attempt at a pr charm offence that will never work. He just has to make one mistake now and people will jump all over it.

Dont agree with first para, agree with second and think third is a genuine worry. Karius will get **** no matter what the diagnosis

Absolutely despise Ramos. In my opinion a victory is worth nothing if you are prepared to cheat to achieve it.

[Mark79]

The others aren't relevent, the level of impact is clearly a factor, why do you think I think that, and why would I think they shouldn't? All over the place there.

The force of the impact (or more accurately, your perception of it from the video) is not the be-all and end-all of the level of concussion he suffered, or the affects of it.

The greater the force, the greater the chances of getting it, but that doesn’t mean even a mild blow can’t result in serious concussion. You can suffer concussion from a jolt, without even a physical blow to the head.

[Kenneth]

It’s hard to take your opinion on keepers seriously after your staunch defence of Mignolet.

Don’t think Karius is good enough but to dismiss the concussion “because you don’t believe it” is bizarre.

I'm not expecting to be taken seriously so we're good there.

When a statement like "After carefully reviewing game film and integrating a detailed history, physical examination and objective metrics", if the bull**** bingo cards aren't at the ready then so be it. If he was a quality keeper who didn't show signs of hesitancy and misjudgement since he joined then it may be more compelling to blame it on an innocuous incident a few minutes earlier.

[Buzzo]

I'm not expecting to be taken seriously so we're good there.

When a statement like "After carefully reviewing game film and integrating a detailed history, physical examination and objective metrics", if the bull**** bingo cards aren't at the ready then so be it. If he was a quality keeper who didn't show signs of hesitancy and misjudgement since he joined then it may be more compelling to blame it on an innocuous incident a few minutes earlier.

They are leading NFL head trauma physicians, all they are saying there is that they looked at typical HIA protocols. There is no other way of proving concussion than using objective metrics. Concussion can live with you for days, weeks or months, and the reports suggest 26 of the 30 tests confirmed he had concussion.