Loris Karius

[Norbs]

5 in a row

[McDermotX]

What did he say?

Basically the concussion thing is BS......so pretty much what a lot of fans are saying.

“I feel sorry for what happened with him but to blame it now on concussion? In that time that he made those mistakes, he also made two amazing saves.

“Was that luck then because he couldn’t see the ball? I don’t know. If they want to say it’s because of that, then it’s OK.

“What he said after the game, he made two mistakes, everyone will accept that because it can happen as a goalkeeper.

“But to blame it now on a concussion, I find it strange. But OK, if the medics said that from Boston, then it’s OK.”

[Oberon]

The others aren't relevent, the level of impact is clearly a factor, why do you think I think that, and why would I think they shouldn't? All over the place there.

He didn't look groggy when he was appealing to the ref, and the contact looked very minimal to me.

Others refer to other people in the thread.

You specifically refer to level of contact.

It looks like you are the one who is all over the place.

If anyone thinks Karius isn't good enough fair enough, but using the post Ramos Karius performance as evidence is unreasonable, for the many reasons already noted.

[peekay]

This is not just a go at Karius but a general overview of any player, manager etc.. who makes mistakes / underperforms

When someone comes under scutiny from fans and makes a further mistake (such as Karius has) it is virtually impossible to turn the tide round

Even if he has 6 months where he is faultless or brilliant the next time he makes a mistake it will be seized on by the doubters and he will be given pelters

For me its going to be very difficult for him to resurrect his career at LFC

[Oberon]

Seems many here don't know of the dogs abuse Bruce used to get, at one point the commentators (not pundits or colour commentators) were calling him pathetic, he had 2 full seasons pretty much, his only advantage was he didn't cost us a European Cup

[Red_Polo]

Basically the concussion thing is BS......so pretty much what a lot of fans are saying.

Cheers for posting that.

Odd Courtois should say this as Karius hasn't actually blamed it on concussion, has he? Not yet at least. Media response leading people to make the lazy assumption that's what his position is. It may or may not be but you'd expect a fellow keeper to give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually said as much!

[Red_Polo]

I totally think Virgil shoved Ramos into Karius in the incident in question btw.

[Exiled_red]

All of this happens on a regular basis in Rugby union. And you are correct in saying that many times players would not be the best judge on whether or not they should be allowed to continue, with the very fact that they are having to use their injured brains to make this judgement making it a bit of a catch 22.

This incident was not noticed by our medics, meaning no matter what happens (ie in every scenario) Karius stays on the pitch and makes the mistakes. The issue here is player protection.

Twice within the game Ramos injured one of our players. The Salah one is blatant, the extent of the injury would not be apparent to Ramos, but the intent is there. Again, unbelievably a tackle such as this would lead to at best a ten minute sin binning in Rugby (amazingly it didn't even get a second glance or talking to in football).

It is astonishing that Ramos didn't give away a free kick in the entire match. The issue football continues to have is with officiating and the use of VAR. If football were to pick up on the best uses of VAR in cricket, tennis and Rugby it would have itself a decent solution. VAR must be available to view in stadia though.

In an ideal world, the ref would be told to look at the Salah incident on slow mo. He would see the grab and Ramos would be sin binned for 10 minutes.

He would be asked to look at the Karius incident on VAR in consultation with the VAR and would decide to send Ramos off. Ramos skill is in making contact look clumsy, there is no coincidence in how often he is involved.

Rugby dealt with the potentially life threatening spear tackle in the same way. Red Card. Any early sense of injustice was soon policed out of the game, leading to a cleaner contest. Football should go the same way. Protecting a players head is paramount in Rugby, it should be in football also. A referee cannot be everywhere and see everything, so VAR is the only solution.

Aren't the medics only allowed on the pitch when given permission from the referee? Karius complained to the referee, now we don't know what was said but if he mentioned that he suffered a blow to the head, whether the referee saw it or not surely he should have a responsibility to have the player checked out by medical staff, is this the case?

[Norbs]

Absolutely. Head injury stops play. I'm getting really suspicious about this, in particular that there's no other footage available despite there being umpteen cameras trained on play from all angles at all times

[Oberon]

Let me clarify, nothing can be said or done now that will makes things an easier for him during the course of the season IMO ... he's going to get a pasting from every opposition fan. When he goes to catch ball to any error he makes they will be all over it. The guys mentality was questionable before the final, christ knows what this will do to him now.. make or break.

He obviously gave permission for the information to be released to the media. I honestly don't think it will make a difference whatsoever, it's done, it happened & he has a rough ride ahead of him.

Concussion or not, that was always coming.

Hopefully one of the best things to come out of this is proper protocol for looking after head injuries. I suspect there are lots of footballers out there with issues created by poor or non-existent care of head injuries.

[Fredo]

Bias has already played a role in all of that anyway judging by how many people have jumped into him for staging this up.

[Snigger]

Loving all the arm chair brain surgeons there seem to be in the fan base

[Kenneth]

Well, even the hired professionals haven't said that he ****ed up because of the Ramos collision.

[Red_Polo]

Well, even the hired professionals haven't said that he ****ed up because of the Ramos collision.

Sure. They have said he suffered a concussion though. Whereas some ill informed folk have rushed to mock the idea that was even possible.

[Tatterdemalion]

“We have received numerous calls today regarding the health status of Liverpool goalkeeper Loris Karius. With Mr. Karius’s permission, we are providing information about his medical situation in an effort to prevent, where possible, the dissemination of incomplete or erroneous information.

“On May 31, 2018 Mr. Karius underwent a comprehensive examination by Dr. Ross Zafonte and Dr. Lenore Herget in Boston at Massachusetts General Hospital and Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital.

“After carefully reviewing game film and integrating a detailed history – including his reported present and immediate post-contact subjective symptoms – physical examination and objective metrics, we have concluded that Mr. Karius sustained a concussion during the match May 26, 2018.

“At the time of our evaluation, Mr. Karius’s principal residual symptoms and objective signs suggested that visual spatial dysfunction existed and likely occurred immediately following the event. Additional symptomatic and objectively noted areas of dysfunction also persisted. It could be possible that such deficits would affect performance.

“We also note that Mr. Karius has reported significant and steady improvement since the concussive event, and we expect him to make a full recovery based on the results of the examination. We expect that with treatment and by following prescribed activity protocols he will continue to improve. We have encouraged vigilance and an emphasis on safety in his eventual return to full activity.”

'Eh? What ball? Benzema who?'