Loris Karius

[Jas]

This angle makes it look so much worse. He definitely would've seen Benzema, but what went through his head when he had the ball in his hands, I guess we'll never know.

Whether he was affected by concussion or not, it breaks my heart every time I see that.

[Nicey]

Or his brain had suffered a severe blow

It is an unbelievable error.

If I watch it 50 times in a row, every time I think he is going to hold onto the ball. Why does he throw it..? It makes no sense. AAAaaarrrggghhh...!!!

[Kenneth]

Maybe he was concussed, maybe his performance was compromised by it. But maybe it wasn't and he's just ****ed up massively and killed our chances, we probably will never really know. Make your own mind up about where it falls on the scale of probabilities, but if the latter is any more than vague possibility then you have to ask whether it is a good idea to go into next season with a keeper who might have been responsible for the biggest goalkeeper fail in living memory. Not a risk worth taking imo, especially as he hasn't been brilliant otherwise, rather decent at best more recently. I'd rather we got rid and expunged the whole debarrcle from our collective consciousness, but I doubt we'll do that, but we must buy a definite number 1.

[Leyton388]

It was at that moment Karius knew he ****ed up.

[Mark79]

A expert in brain injury at one of the world’s leading hospitals has concluded that Karius suffered a concussion. I think that’s as certain as it gets, there’s no ‘maybe’ about it.

I don’t get why people are so reluctant to accept it.

Dr Zafonte said Karius had suffered from "visual spatial dysfunction", a process which hampers a person's ability to process visual information about where objects are in space.

Or, he did that unbelievable aberration above ‘because he’s ****’. FFS.

[Buzzo]

Maybe he was concussed, maybe his performance was compromised by it. But maybe it wasn't and he's just ****ed up massively and killed our chances, we probably will never really know. Make your own mind up about where it falls on the scale of probabilities, but if the latter is any more than vague possibility then you have to ask whether it is a good idea to go into next season with a keeper who might have been responsible for the biggest goalkeeper fail in living memory. Not a risk worth taking imo, especially as he hasn't been brilliant otherwise, rather decent at best more recently. I'd rather we got rid and expunged the whole debarrcle from our collective consciousness, but I doubt we'll do that, but we must buy a definite number 1.

I am inclined to think (hope) that concussion was a factor.

But even allowing for that I hope we sign a new number 1 keeper. I would though be happy if Karius stays on as understudy.

Whatever happened, the error is too big for him to quickly move past.

[meffin]

He just tries to get rid of the ball too quickly without thinking through what he's doing. It's a massive **** up

[Mark79]

He just tries to get rid of the ball too quickly without thinking through what he's doing. It's a massive **** up

He’s in such a rush to release the ball, that he doesn’t give himself time to think about how rolling it at Benzema might be a bad idea?

Honestly, you think that’s a more credible explanation than concussion, even after what the experts in head traumas have said about it?

[Kenneth]

A expert in brain injury at one of the world’s leading hospitals has concluded that Karius suffered a concussion. I think that’s as certain as it gets, there’s no ‘maybe’ about it.

I don’t get why people are so reluctant to accept it.

Dr Zafonte said Karius had suffered from "visual spatial dysfunction", a process which hampers a person's ability to process visual information about where objects are in space.

Or, he did that unbelievable aberration above ‘because he’s ****’. FFS.

I think you are jumping to conclusions as much as anyone tbh. Even accepting the concussion diagnosis, there is no claim made about how significant the symptoms would have been for Karius, how long they would have lasted or even when they started, and wether they would likely cause errors like we saw, that's all you. Was it a cause of the third goal, or the decent saves he made after the 'event'? What we see is a player making no complaints about his condition, not requesting assistance even in a dead ball scenario, showing no signs of being inhibited other than the two incidents and in need of a get our of jail free card for throwing away a CL final. Even accepting the diagnosis of concussion, I think Karius is culpable.

Then there is the diagnosis itself. Having reviewed inconclusive video, and considered the results of scan(s) and heard testimony from Karius, a diagnosis was made. Personally, I regard two of those aspects as unreliable and have no way of knowing whether the diagnosis would have been the same without them, so I don't accept without question the conclusion that he suffered from concussion. But that's pretty irrelevant really.

[Mark79]

I think you are jumping to conclusions as much as anyone tbh. Even accepting the concussion diagnosis, there is no claim made about how significant the symptoms would have been for Karius, how long they would have lasted or even when they started, and wether they would likely cause errors like we saw, that's all you. Was it a cause of the third goal, or the decent saves he made after the 'event'? What we see is a player making no complaints about his condition, not requesting assistance even in a dead ball scenario, showing no signs of being inhibited other than the two incidents and in need of a get our of jail free card for throwing away a CL final. Even accepting the diagnosis of concussion, I think Karius is culpable.

Then there is the diagnosis itself. Having reviewed inconclusive video, and considered the results of scan(s) and heard testimony from Karius, a diagnosis was made. Personally, I regard two of those aspects as unreliable and have no way of knowing whether the diagnosis would have been the same without them, so I don't accept without question the conclusion that he suffered from concussion. But that's pretty irrelevant really.

That’s all incorrect. I can only guess you haven’t read any of what Zafonte, or other qualified people have said regarding any of that.

Zafonte made his diagnosis using a physical exam, 30 tests (26 positive), and the footage. He’s an expert in head injuries at one of the best hospitals in the world. If you don’t find him or his methods to be reliable then I doubt you must be able to have any belief in Physical Medicine or maybe even medical science, full stop.

[Buzzo]

Karius will be able to sit back and recouperate mind body and spirit in the armchair we will be installing for him in his 18 yard box next season. Along with his LK1 pipe and slippers it should be an easy season for our number one.

[Kenneth]

That’s all incorrect. I can only guess you haven’t read any of what Zafonte, or other qualified people have said regarding any of that.

Zafonte made his diagnosis using a physical exam, 30 tests (26 positive), and the footage. He’s an expert in head injuries at one of the best hospitals in the world. If you don’t find him or his methods to be reliable then I doubt you must be able to have any belief in Physical Medicine or maybe even medical science, full stop.

[baitman]

you do have to wonder just how accurate and reliable a test might be to diagnose concussion a week after the incident.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/concussion/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20355600

[vlahka]

Did you even read the article? Concussion doesn't always display the classic symptoms that untrained medical experts like yourself would recognise.

*that's not to say Robbo & VVD pointing in that direction had no influence btw..

How selective is concussion then? In that shot above he knows exactly where the ball is to grab it and where the player is to throw it. Yet somehow cant see a massive human being to the side of him. If he has no problem catching the ball there and a few other times, why does he misjudge the ball for the third girl? Those were his only real mistakes. Everything between and after them he was normal. Generally concussion SHOULD screw you all over the place, not 2 select moments. This is why I don't buy it. In the past when Karius makes a mistake he usually follows up with another. This isn't much different. He did a massive screw up and its only fair his second one is as great as the first. Considering some of his past mess ups, I don't see these two mistakes being fluke accidents. Also not having a go at him. But it feels like both our keepers suffer concussion indefinitely. I'd like one that hasn't got a brain that's subject to the change of wind strength.

[Red_Polo]

How selective is concussion then? In that shot above he knows exactly where the ball is to grab it and where the player is to throw it. Yet somehow cant see a massive human being to the side of him. If he has no problem catching the ball there and a few other times, why does he misjudge the ball for the third girl? Those were his only real mistakes. Everything between and after them he was normal. Generally concussion SHOULD screw you all over the place, not 2 select moments. This is why I don't buy it.

This is a bit like saying that a drink driver took the previous corner just fine, so it can't have been anything to do with them being over the limit.

Don't assume I'm saying this was the cause of his errors, I'm not, I just think there's a lot of fuzzy logic being used to suggest it couldn't possibly have been the case.