Bournemouth (A) - Post Match

[Glenn Hysen]

Why? Because he had a bad game? Are we after a new manager too?

Because he does these mistakes a little too often for top level footie.
Why do you think I want Klopp replaced?? Klopp is God so don't write **** like what you think I want...

[Fosterbloke]

Because he does these mistakes a little too often for top level footie.
Why do you think I want Klopp replaced?? Klopp is God so don't write **** like what you think I want...

I thought you were knee jerking based on a single game. Lovren had a poor game and should be replaced ergo Klopp too.

[Irishnev]

Did you really think that? I thought that we were poor from the point that we went 2-0, I thought at that point we stopped playing as the players had assumed that the game was won. When they scored to make it 2-1 I thought that if we didn't step it up we wouldn't win the game. Before I could type that in the match thread Can scored to make it 3-1 and I thought we might realise that we were in a game but at the point we seemed to become complacent again when they made it 3-2 I knew we wouldn't win (I assumed a 3-3 draw like the Palace game from 13-14) for me you could see it coming a mile off.

I've seen a number of people say we only played badly for 15/20mins or when Mane went off, but for me we only played well for the first ~25mins and were poor for the rest of the game, am I just seeing this differently from everyone else?

I did, we have successfully closed games out this season after conceding - Chelsea away, Ars after it got to 4/3, West Brom at home off the top of my head. I agree we weren't fully at it but I still thought we'd click into gear and get the job done.

My point is that I am slowly over coming the fear that we will crumble in every game we concede - yesterday is a blip in the season when taken over all our games so far. If it happens again next week then I'll start to worry.

[Glenn Hysen]

I thought you were knee jerking based on a single game. Lovren had a poor game and should be replaced ergo Klopp too.

Well I wasn't.
I think we'll win the title with Klopp. Maybe this season or within the next two.

[Irishnev]

I thought you were knee jerking based on a single game. Lovren had a poor game and should be replaced ergo Klopp too.

Lovren has improved under Klopp and playing beside Matip but he still makes far too many mistakes and isn't reliable enough to be our long term CB.

[Exiled_red]

I did, we have successfully closed games out this season after conceding - Chelsea away, Ars after it got to 4/3, West Brom at home off the top of my head. I agree we weren't fully at it but I still thought we'd click into gear and get the job done.

My point is that I am slowly over coming the fear that we will crumble in every game we concede - yesterday is a blip in the season when taken over all our games so far. If it happens again next week then I'll start to worry.

I'm not normally thinking that we are going to throw games away but yesterday I could see it coming a mile off, we played awfully for much of the game and Bournemouth were by far the better side in the second half and the goal gave them a huge confidence lift and you could see the momentum shift.

[frank the tank]

Cant believe how many quitters we have following us!! It's obviously a **** result and completely humiliating as well but nothing is over. Chelsea looked horrendous earlier in the season and now look. The same people wrote us off after Burnley and the reaction after Hull in 2013 "we can't get top 4 now" "Sterling wouldn't get a game in the championship" was pathetic and made to look utterly stupid when we nearly won the league.

[labourRed]

My point is you think we can swan in and win the game with minimal effort and that just doesn't happen in this league. We'll certainly win if we apply ourselves properly for the whole game unlike today.

Ok, i get your point.

I don't think lack of commitment or 'swanning around' was the issue yesterday though. They completely changed when the direct Fraser came on and we didn't deal with it as well as we could have. He changed the game.

Loads of little issues also played a part. The turning point was that fella going over on his ankle though and Henderson getting booked for it (despite the fact he had **** all to do with it). And yeah, the sub played well.

Mane also ****ed us as we lost shape and control when he left.

But yeah, WH... relaxed for that one.

[BigChief]

I didn't watch the whole game but can someone explain why Henderson was so poor yesterday? Its very unlike him, to have someone like Fraser dictate to our midfield like that. The yellow card is fine, but on a good day Hendo never needs to make final ditch challenges anyway as he just marshals plays out of games. From highlights he never seemed switched on enough in the second half.

[baitman]

on motd last night they were showing some of our highlights and lowlights. then they were doing some analysis on why we crumbled.
the keeping of karius was ****e.

but one other thing really stood out...
for their last goal the guy in the corner had the ball and one of our defenders was closing him down. a second guy came towards him to give him an option of a pass. clyne came running over and went to double up on the guy with the ball. this mean the spare guy was still unmarked and available for the pass...
the second guy received the ball and then came towards the goal area and booted it directly at karius.
there were a few bournemouth players lined up waiting for a cross.
the guy henderson was marking seemed well covered with henderson standing goal side of him.
as the kick came in all our players were ball watching, maybe expecting karius to collect the powerful shot.
as the ball came in the guy henderson was marking [ake] slipped around him with no effort from our captain to hold him back or prevent him stepping forwards to tap in the rebound.

flat footed, slow thinking, ball watching.

[Irishnev]

I'm not normally thinking that we are going to throw games away but yesterday I could see it coming a mile off, we played awfully for much of the game and Bournemouth were by far the better side in the second half and the goal gave them a huge confidence lift and you could see the momentum shift.

I don't disagree with you on a lot of that but the way we have been going and with the momentum we have had recently I thought we'd just nick a winner. I guess it was a slap in the face for us and hopefully we respond the same as we did after Burnley.

I also felt that Karius was a "lucky" keeper in so far as up until yesterday none of his errors cost us anything - that certainly changed yesterday.

[pezzzer]

People need to calm down. Look how much Klopp has changed our midfield and attack in his first year here, he will now look at the defense and wave the same wand but he can't change everything at once!
I doubt Klopp sees having two midfielders in defense as the permanent answer when we have a cpl of injuries back there. Let's wait and see what he does in January.

Karius needs time but he does look **** at the mo. I'd make a massive bid for Lloris.

[McDermotX]

I don't disagree with you on a lot of that but the way we have been going and with the momentum we have had recently I thought we'd just nick a winner. I guess it was a slap in the face for us and hopefully we respond the same as we did after Burnley.

I also felt that Karius was a "lucky" keeper in so far as up until yesterday none of his errors cost us anything - that certainly changed yesterday.

It's funny how different we fans see the ebb of games - got to admit, when Can scored I thought that was it. The momentary lapse of allowing them a goal back forced us to respond and we did with a spectacular 3rd.

Having said that when they got back to 3-3, them grabbing a winner was just inevitable and came as no surprise. We were completely rattled all over the park in the closing phases, something that you just have to give them credit for switching things up, aided amiably by our complacency and general muppetness.

What we need now is a reaction (and I think we will) going into the busy period because we'll need to have our **** together if we're to put ourselves in a position of challenging in the second half of the season.
Lot of people were banking on Chelsea's 'tough run' and they're sailing through it, then it'll be 'wait until they get their injuries' etc etc - we just need to focus on ourselves and get our own house in order, because we can take any side in this league if we just do our job right and with the right attitude - yesterday's second half was the exact opposite of that.

[BigChief]

Agreed, I mentioned elsewhere that if we were going to have a bad game then this was an ideal time for it. City and Chelsea played each other, Utd and Spurs playing each other next week while we still have an easy-ish fixture list. Shake off any perceived egos and complacency going into an historically important period with minimal damage.

[poorscousertommy]

Klopp may not be able to fix everything straight off for sure but don't ignore the fact he has brought in a keeper and 2 CB to do so!

Matip has been a revelation but Karius is ****e and Klavan can't get a game ahead of Lucas?! Klopp said when he brought him in wait until y9ou see him play and then see if he is back up...well if he can't get in ahead of Lucas then yes..he's ****ing totally backup!

We went into a game with 2 midfielders in our back 4. Not exactly great is it. We've conceded 14 goals in 8 away games. More than Sunderland ffs!