Andrew Robertson

[Sus]

That’s not what I’m saying at all - I don’t begrudge any player the money fair ****s to them. And every player has to move on eventually. But if you’re not sentimental at all about football then it is cold clinical and transactional as you’ve mentioned above. So taking a second to pause and recognise the contribution of a player who gave a lot is where it’s at for me / I could care less about their bank balance.

This is the end of the first team my kids watched (they are teenagers now) and we’ve spent endless hours discussing and watching Klopp, Salah, Mane, Bobby, Allison, Robbo, Virg, Hendo, Trent, Jota, etc. For me my link to supporting Liverpool is Dalglish - he was my hero as a Scottish kid in the 80’s. If not for him who knows who Id support now.

I think it’s depressing if you don’t find any joy in who plays for us. Sport is all about passion, it doubles as religion for some. And then when new players come I. We celebrate that too right?

If there’s no sense of connection between the players, and the support then it’s absolutely soulless, meaningless and transactional and that may well be exactly where the game is headed.

Yep I’m with you Buzzo. As grown men with plenty of responsibilities, we make the time and space to put a lot of emotional energy into following this football club.

The players are at the heart of that and provide so much joy to us. I find it difficult to disassociate those emotions from player departures. It may be a one way relationship but I’m ok with that. Rather that than the transactional relationship Buzzo outlines above

[fidget]

Well said Buzzo, I concur.

What's the point in supporting a team if you don't get emotionally involved.

You get to moan nonstop on an internet forum

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You get to moan nonstop on an internet forum

[Irishnev]

I don't think that we didn't think Tsimi was good enough to continue as back up LB in the summer.

Before Tsimi left on loan, we were open to letting Robbo go to Atletico Madrid, which would have meant Tsimi would have been kept as our rotation at LB.

I think the club were pretty flexible on which of the two made room for Kerkez. It was just a case of which one received a suitable offer.

This is fair

[Buzzo]

You get to moan nonstop on an internet forum

[Doc_Piptorious]

Based on this lack of passion behind the individual player I’m assuming everyone was just as dispassionate about Trent leaving then, or do we only demonise and never lionise as we get older

I was and still am, the fecking cockwomble.


Robertson on the other hand is a club legend that I will be sorry to see leave even though it is probably the right time.

He has done it all for us, won it all with us and been a credit to the club as a player and as a human being.

[danperkins]

Well said Buzzo, I concur.

What's the point in supporting a team if you don't get emotionally involved. It's probably a bit silly but the nature of fanaticism is fundamentally irrational.
Part of the fun I think.

Big difference between being emotionally attached to footballers vs LFC as a club. People wouldn't bother their arse posting on a LFC forum if it didn't mean something to them. Footballers come and go, part and parcel, enjoy the good ones whilst they are as ultimately they will leave or retire... the club will always be there. Acknowledging this is just acknowledging reality, doesn't mean you anything other than that.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Big difference between being emotionally attached to footballers vs LFC as a club. People wouldn't bother their arse posting on a LFC forum if it didn't mean something to them. Footballers come and go, part and parcel, enjoy the good ones whilst they are as ultimately they will leave or retire... the club will always be there. Acknowledging this is just acknowledging reality, doesn't mean you anything other than that.

Could be argued that one becomes emotionally attached to said club thanks in no small part to the players that were there when you were first introduced to the club/sport etc.

The different players over the years reinforcing that emotional attachment to the club. So without one you do not get the other.

[kingfunk]

That’s not what I’m saying at all - I don’t begrudge any player the money fair ****s to them. And every player has to move on eventually. But if you’re not sentimental at all about football then it is cold clinical and transactional as you’ve mentioned above. So taking a second to pause and recognise the contribution of a player who gave a lot is where it’s at for me / I could care less about their bank balance.

This is the end of the first team my kids watched (they are teenagers now) and we’ve spent endless hours discussing and watching Klopp, Salah, Mane, Bobby, Allison, Robbo, Virg, Hendo, Trent, Jota, etc. For me my link to supporting Liverpool is Dalglish - he was my hero as a Scottish kid in the 80’s. If not for him who knows who Id support now.

I think it’s depressing if you don’t find any joy in who plays for us. Sport is all about passion, it doubles as religion for some. And then when new players come I. We celebrate that too right?

If there’s no sense of connection between the players, and the support then it’s absolutely soulless, meaningless and transactional and that may well be exactly where the game is headed.

I get where you’re coming from, and I don’t actually disagree with most of that. I do recognise and appreciate what Robertson has given us. I literally called him our best ever left back and a model professional, so that part isn’t in question for me at all.

Where we probably differ is on emotional investment. I still enjoy football, still love Liverpool, and still enjoy watching great players play for us, but I’m more detached than I used to be. That isn’t bitterness or a lack of joy, it’s just perspective that’s come with age, at least for me.

I don’t begrudge players the money either, fair play to them, but I also don’t kid myself that loyalty in modern football is anything other than conditional. Players move when it suits them and clubs move players on when it suits the club. That doesn’t erase what came before, but it does frame how I react to it now.

I completely understand the generational link you’re talking about, especially with kids growing up watching a core group together. That’s real and it matters. I’m just more comfortable appreciating those eras once they’ve passed rather than clinging to them as they’re ending.

I don’t think that makes football soulless for me, just less romantic. I’ll still celebrate the next group of players and enjoy the journey. I’m just more accepting that refreshes are inevitable and sometimes better done early than late.

[danperkins]

Could be argued that one becomes emotionally attached to said club thanks in no small part to the players that were there when you were first introduced to the club/sport etc.

The different players over the years reinforcing that emotional attachment to the club. So without one you do not get the other.

Yeah when you're a kid maybe and you have your heroes. Not so much when you're in 40s,50s, 60s etc because you realise loyalty in football is a rare thing and players will look out for number nearly every time. I'm more about the comradery with the fans these days, I respect talent but yeah I don't fangirl any players.

[Buzzo]

Yeah when you're a kid maybe and you have your heroes. Not so much when you're in 40s,50s, 60s etc because you realise loyalty in football is a rare thing and players will look out for number nearly every time. I'm more about the comradery with the fans these days, I respect talent but yeah I don't fangirl any players.

Fangirling players? What does that even mean?

I take it when you see that you ditch the aforementioned desire for camaraderie?

[Buzzo]

I get where you’re coming from, and I don’t actually disagree with most of that. I do recognise and appreciate what Robertson has given us. I literally called him our best ever left back and a model professional, so that part isn’t in question for me at all.

Where we probably differ is on emotional investment. I still enjoy football, still love Liverpool, and still enjoy watching great players play for us, but I’m more detached than I used to be. That isn’t bitterness or a lack of joy, it’s just perspective that’s come with age, at least for me.

I don’t begrudge players the money either, fair play to them, but I also don’t kid myself that loyalty in modern football is anything other than conditional. Players move when it suits them and clubs move players on when it suits the club. That doesn’t erase what came before, but it does frame how I react to it now.

I completely understand the generational link you’re talking about, especially with kids growing up watching a core group together. That’s real and it matters. I’m just more comfortable appreciating those eras once they’ve passed rather than clinging to them as they’re ending.

I don’t think that makes football soulless for me, just less romantic. I’ll still celebrate the next group of players and enjoy the journey. I’m just more accepting that refreshes are inevitable and sometimes better done early than late.

I sort of agree and mildly disagree.

The times (decades) when the team was poor and delivered little the creeping changes didn’t matter so much. The last great era was the late 80’s. And those players are rightly revered. I think we are saying a group of players that will also be rightly revered, that’s not ‘fan girling’ (not that you said that) it’s taking a moment to acknowledge the journey some of these players took us on.

**** all wrong with that, it’s not immature if that’s the thrust of some of the counter argument (again not you) that I’m picking up on.

It’s absolutely fine to be sentimental, and as I mentioned most of the memories I’m talking about were with my kids.

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Del

[BG1973]

That’s not what I’m saying at all - I don’t begrudge any player the money fair ****s to them. And every player has to move on eventually. But if you’re not sentimental at all about football then it is cold clinical and transactional as you’ve mentioned above. So taking a second to pause and recognise the contribution of a player who gave a lot is where it’s at for me / I could care less about their bank balance.

This is the end of the first team my kids watched (they are teenagers now) and we’ve spent endless hours discussing and watching Klopp, Salah, Mane, Bobby, Allison, Robbo, Virg, Hendo, Trent, Jota, etc. For me my link to supporting Liverpool is Dalglish - he was my hero as a Scottish kid in the 80’s. If not for him who knows who Id support now.

I think it’s depressing if you don’t find any joy in who plays for us. Sport is all about passion, it doubles as religion for some. And then when new players come I. We celebrate that too right?

If there’s no sense of connection between the players, and the support then it’s absolutely soulless, meaningless and transactional and that may well be exactly where the game is headed.

Boom.

Klopp had a great team full of great lads that made me feel proud to support them. Robbo club legend who embodied the spirit of that side.

[danperkins]

Fangirling players? What does that even mean?

I take it when you see that you ditch the aforementioned desire for camaraderie?

No I don't tell people how they should support their team, each to their own.