Post match mid table mediocrity (away at Spurs) thread

[Montana]

Lucas?

Sakho

[Tatterdemalion]

Spurs only had to harass us into making mistakes without breaking too much of a sweat today, and we easily handed the game to them. It was our worst performance of the season. We were never ready for this one.

Possibly under Klopp.

[Liverpool]

depressing performance/result every time we seem to turn the corner

I dont know what a successful season looks like for us tbh, we still have a chance of top 4. But feels like we are wasting Coutinhos last season, Can will be off too. The way Salah/Mane are playing, teams will be in for them too.

Back in the CL, and we didn't sign anyone of note on the back of it. (obviously Salah has been great)

Klopp has been stubborn in his ways here, like Pep last season? We need to go out and have a couple of big windows, developing players is great but look at our defensive options its midtable at best.

January pay the big money for VDV and a striker, de vrij and goretzka pre contracts or cheap in Jan

its the hope that kills you, us having a corner is like having a euromillions ticket on a friday night, this might be the one.

[Exiled_red]

I said in the summer that signing decent defenders could see us challenge for the title and not signing them would see us in a battle for top 4. Certainly looking like not signing a CB has cost us so far. With the way things have been going top 4 is probably the best we can hope for but if we keep making mistakes like today we have little chance of this. I find it really frustrating because a blind man could see that we needed a CB and not signing one was a decision that was beyond stupid.

People have said that the defence and keeper will ultimately cost Klopp his job. In my opinion it will be the lack of urgency in addressing long term problems such as the defence, I said in the summer that in not signing a CB we were effectivly writing off a season and no manager can afford to do that. (This is not me calling for Klopp's head but just the way I see it based on comments in the threads today)

[McDermotX]

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[breffniboy]

Posted this in the match thread, it'll serve for here as well. if anything good is coming from all this, it's the slow dawn of realisation on everyone involved that will hopefully lead to change. FSG and Klopp both are now at the end of honeymoon period, and the length of FSG's in particular has been way too generous IMO.

***
If this absolute embarrassment and latest in a long line of burning beacon signposts that are club is being mis-run, mismanaged, or both, then future versions of us will will be glad it happened.
The blanket of inertia at our club gradually cast over it by owners now being slowly exposed as only slightly less disingenuous than Hicks and Gillette - transfers wise only, I mean, look at that new stand and the corporate $$$! - is bad enough, but the ho-hum and pitifully lowered expectations 'that's how it is now' acceptance of it by a large cohort of fans is even worse.
If this is the day it all turns, it'll be worth it.

[little dave hedgehog]

depressing performance/result every time we seem to turn the corner

must live on houllier's street.

[Irishnev]

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[Darkon]

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[wiw]

Our back 5 aren't good enough to play the type of football we are trying to play. I think he's got to decide whether he wants to stick with this style or whether we go back to dogging out 1-0's like the end of last season and build from there, because there doesn't seem to be any in-between with this team

[Robbie-9-Fowler]

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/...56681517248512

Tells you how poor the goals were to concede.

Doesn't excuse Klopp though, this is his team now. He should have had this well addressed, instead we're 3 defenders short, minimum.

[el matador]

People are going mad at klopp but the only thing that he’s guilty of is having too much faith in lovren and mignolet. Our defensive issues aren’t systematic or structural. All top teams push their fullbacks on - we’re not the only ones. Spurs didn’t play with a DM on Sunday but they hammered us.

Most of the issues are down to lovren and mignolet. Man City proved by replacing a **** goalie with a good one your defence improves dramatically. We need a new goalie, two Centre backs and a midfield player capable of giving some protection to the back 4. Kloppo can change this by replacing these 4 players. He’s just had far too much faith in players that have consistently let him down.

That’s he only thing he’s guilty of.

[Kenneth]

Not really.

(I did explain why that's daft but accidentally pressed the 'previous thread' link rather than the submit button and lost it all. Can't be arsed writing it again tbh)

[Venton]

People are going mad at klopp but the only thing that he’s guilty of is having too much faith in lovren and mignolet. Our defensive issues aren’t systematic or structural. All top teams push their fullbacks on - we’re not the only ones. Spurs didn’t play with a DM on Sunday but they hammered us.

Most of the issues are down to lovren and mignolet. Man City proved by replacing a **** goalie with a good one your defence improves dramatically. We need a new goalie, two Centre backs and a midfield player capable of giving some protection to the back 4. Kloppo can change this by replacing these 4 players. He’s just had far too much faith in players that have consistently let him down.

That’s he only thing he’s guilty of.

That's a hell of a thing to feel guilty about. He may need therapy to help with that.

[el matador]

We have a world class manager who has a proven track record of success. He’s tried albeit unsuccessfully to improve some of the players he inherited but it hasn’t worked. By taking lovren off after 30 mins shows he’s had enough. If he could have taken off mignolet, matip and Henderson I’m sure he would have done.

Saturday is the key. If lovren and mignolet are still in the lineup then it could be a long season. If they’re benched then we may be able to salvage something and shows that JK has moved on from them.