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    #91
    Indeed, but that clean break approach could be inspiring if we had better quality waiting to step in, as it is it means either relying on inexperience (mainly ward and Gomez, who I like) or playing people out of position (defence obviously, not the keeper) and hoping for the best. Dropping Lovren for klavan or Mig for Karius isn't going to go well I reckon.
    Last edited by Kenneth; 23-10-17, 05:59 PM.
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      #92
      Originally posted by el matador View Post
      People are going mad at klopp but the only thing that he’s guilty of is having too much faith in lovren and mignolet. Our defensive issues aren’t systematic or structural. All top teams push their fullbacks on - we’re not the only ones. Spurs didn’t play with a DM on Sunday but they hammered us.

      Most of the issues are down to lovren and mignolet. Man City proved by replacing a **** goalie with a good one your defence improves dramatically. We need a new goalie, two Centre backs and a midfield player capable of giving some protection to the back 4. Kloppo can change this by replacing these 4 players. He’s just had far too much faith in players that have consistently let him down.

      That’s he only thing he’s guilty of.
      Yes but it is a fairly severe error of judgement, it has been obvious to fans for a while though and now it is proving costly and he needs to act. It is these types of issue that are more frustrating than signing the wrong player. At least in trying to improve things you are admitting that there is a problem. With the amount of players signed and money spent on CB and GK it seems to suggest he doesn't think that there is much of a problem, when that really should be the priority. He really needs to show signs of improving these areas in January because more games like the one and the weekend and people will start to turn on him. I don't want that to happen but if he doesn't address these clear issues soon then it is inevitable.
      The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Kenneth View Post
        Indeed, but that clean break approach could be inspiring if we had better quality waiting to step in, as it is it means either relying on inexperience (mainly Gomez, who I like) or playing people out of position (defence obviously, not the keeper) and hoping for the best. Dropping Lovren for klavan or Mig for Karius isn't going to go well I reckon.
        Fans could probably accept mistakes from rookies like Gomes and Ward if the long term benefit is development but basic errors from experienced internationals like mignolet and lovren is harder to swallow.

        Gomes and Ward can learn from their mistakes. Lovren & mignolet have shown consistently that they continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. They have to go and JK should not be protecting them anymore.
        [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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          #94
          Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
          Yes but it is a fairly severe error of judgement, it has been obvious to fans for a while though and now it is proving costly and he needs to act. It is these types of issue that are more frustrating than signing the wrong player. At least in trying to improve things you are admitting that there is a problem. With the amount of players signed and money spent on CB and GK it seems to suggest he doesn't think that there is much of a problem, when that really should be the priority. He really needs to show signs of improving these areas in January because more games like the one and the weekend and people will start to turn on him. I don't want that to happen but if he doesn't address these clear issues soon then it is inevitable.
          That’s his biggest mistake. Believing that lovren and mignolet can be coached into top class players. You just can’t polish turds.
          [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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            #95
            Originally posted by el matador View Post
            Fans could probably accept mistakes from rookies like Gomes and Ward if the long term benefit is development but basic errors from experienced internationals like mignolet and lovren is harder to swallow.

            Gomes and Ward can learn from their mistakes. Lovren & mignolet have shown consistently that they continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. They have to go and JK should not be protecting them anymore.
            Fair connent, but it might exacerbate the criticism of Klopp generally, he's had the chances to strengthen those positions and he's playing inexperienced youngsters there. Better than playing crap he inherited, but not great.
            Last edited by Kenneth; 23-10-17, 06:27 PM.
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              #96
              Originally posted by Kenneth View Post
              Indeed, but that clean break approach could be inspiring if we had better quality waiting to step in, as it is it means either relying on inexperience (mainly ward and Gomez, who I like) or playing people out of position (defence obviously, not the keeper) and hoping for the best. Dropping Lovren for klavan or Mig for Karius isn't going to go well I reckon.
              Exactly. I'm not dreading Lovren back as much as I'm dreading having to see Klavan. What a **** storm to be stuck in.
              One tit for another.

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                #97
                This season will be the making of Joe Gomez for better or for worse (I'm banking on the former!).

                But to come back from two serious injuries, nail down a starting place out of position and show improvement over nine games is quite a feat.
                Was muß, das muß.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Robbie-9-Fowler View Post
                  Surprised he survives the night without drowning.
                  the only positive thing from the weekend.

                  i have stayed off the forum since the game.
                  what a pile of ****e. the same pile of **** i have mentioned many times before.
                  no point trying to highlight the issues, we all know...
                  removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                  too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by el matador View Post
                    That’s his biggest mistake. Believing that lovren and mignolet can be coached into top class players. You just can’t polish turds.
                    But you can roll them in glitter.

                    Sadly though once a turd, always a turd.

                    Our team is like my pro evo master league side at the end of season one. Not bad but lack of cutting edge and defence fragile.

                    Very quickly turned into an excellent side but signing; goalkeeper, centrebacks, striker (s).

                    It really isn't a lot more complex than that.

                    I think Klopp is in a strange position - he must see what we see and to appease fans he should really say it because if he doesn't we are all wondering what the **** is going on..and heneess us to believe in him.

                    But at same time he also needs players to play for him so has to play this very carefully.

                    Cracks are appearing though with his trainers comments... beginning of the end for someone.
                    Last edited by BG1973; 24-10-17, 04:53 AM.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by BG1973 View Post

                      Cracks are appearing though with his trainers comments... beginning of the end for someone.
                      What's this now?
                      I saw a dead fish on the pavement and thought "what did you expect?"
                      There's no water round here stupid, should have stayed where it was wet

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                        #101
                        Originally posted by Fierce View Post
                        What's this now?
                        He mentioned he could have defended the first goal better in a pair of trainers than Lovren could.
                        Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."


                        Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.

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                          #102
                          Originally posted by baitman View Post
                          the only positive thing from the weekend.

                          i have stayed off the forum since the game.
                          what a pile of ****e. the same pile of **** i have mentioned many times before.
                          no point trying to highlight the issues, we all know...
                          It's incredibly difficult to not vent for some (me) though mate

                          The last part is completely true, which makes it even strange that the manager hasn't addressed it. He's either been too loyal to his players, didn't think it was as big a deal as we all do or he's been let down in the market.
                          Vive la France

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                            #103
                            Originally posted by Slinky Skills View Post
                            He mentioned he could have defended the first goal better in a pair of trainers than Lovren could.
                            Ohhhhh, I thought trainers = coaches
                            I saw a dead fish on the pavement and thought "what did you expect?"
                            There's no water round here stupid, should have stayed where it was wet

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                              #104
                              Originally posted by Fierce View Post
                              Ohhhhh, I thought trainers = coaches
                              Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."


                              Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.

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