Manchester Utd vs Liverpool - PL (Game 30) 10th March 2018

[Big-Red-Ed]

About the penalty claims. I honestly felt all 3 were valid claims but on the soft side. The hold back on Salah was the strongest claim and if he had gone down it would definelty have been given.
To not be given any of them was disappointing but not surprising at OT.

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[Jaymo]

Personally I think the Salah one is hard to call, yes it's a foul, but if Salah goes down he gets booked for diving - so he had no choice to stay on his feet even though he was being impeded. Anywhere else on the pitch it's a freekick.

The mane one I thought was a penalty, but I haven't seen it back again - so if people are saying it should have been a freekick the other way then fair enough.

The handball was 100% a penalty, hand by his sides or not - he's a good 12 yards away and Firmino is in waiting to get a shot in from that cross.

But in all fairness, we played okay - united did a job on us and set out to defend (again), this time due to 2 mistakes it's cost us. We were lucky not to be 3 down when Mata put his overhead kick wide. We missed a great chance at 1-0 down too from a corner. Simply put, we weren't good enough despite the errors from the official.

[Rich]

Looking back I think the first two are pens. Salah 100% held back, but stayed on his feet and got **** all. So might as well as done a Spurs and gone down.

The handball was also a pen, he had plenty of time to move his arm out of the way, the ball had travelled a decent distance.

[McDermotX]

The Milner one was probably the clearest cut one for me, but the type never given (fact we didnt even claim beggars belief).
Handball one on the soft side, but the ball did travel quite a distance so if it was blown against us I'd probably begrudgingly accept it - so there's the answer.
Mane one was never a pen and never looked it at the time, replay just confirms it.
Salah one.....I can see why people are annoyed, but in truth, there's far more pushing and pulling in the box than that. I still think the defender was lucky, as in this case Salah was bearing down though admittedly not in control. I do think it would defo have been given if he cheated and went down, even in Old Trafford.

[Chris]

I do think it would defo have been given if he cheated and went down, even in Old Trafford.

For your lot sure. Us, nah.

[labourRed]

One thing we need to get better at is the dark arts of winning penalties and going down for fake injuries at the right time. Are cunty coaches a thing?

[Tatterdemalion]

I'm sure you're right that it would get us a few more decisions, but I would really rather we didn't.

I just think that if you can't win the game fairly - even without having the rub of the green - then you don't deserve to win.

[labourRed]

I'm sure you're right that it would get us a few more decisions, but I would really rather we didn't.

I just think that if you can't win the game fairly - even without having the rub of the green - then you don't deserve to win.

All the great teams in history have an edge. I know what you mean though.

[Tatterdemalion]

All the great teams in history have an edge. I know what you mean though.

Agreed - most of our great teams in the past have had an edge in physicality or technical ability or both. Would much prefer we did that. Quite happy to have a midfield enforcer who occasionally 'accidentally' takes out Ronaldo types for instance, just rather we didn't have the Deli Alli 'I felt contact' types, if that makes any sense at all!

[Exiled_red]

One thing we need to get better at is the dark arts of winning penalties and going down for fake injuries at the right time. Are cunty coaches a thing?

I'm sure you're right that it would get us a few more decisions, but I would really rather we didn't.

I just think that if you can't win the game fairly - even without having the rub of the green - then you don't deserve to win.

I know what you both mean we do seem to be too nice and that may be contributing to decisions that we don't get. I too would prefer if we didn't have to resort to such things, but it seems that everyone else is doing it and by not joining them we are disadvantaging ourselves. I've said previously that we lack a captain who can 'referee' the game by being in the referee's ear constantly. I noticed a number of times yesterday that our players were fouled and our players didn't even appeal. Now how does that look to a referee? - We aren't going to get a decision if the ref thinks that our players don't even think that it's a foul.

[labourRed]

Sure, I'm basically advocating cheating or adding a layer of craft we lack. I don't expect it to be a popular opinion. We don't have a lot of experience because we tend to buy young and it shows at times. I think Milner touched on it post Seville. We lacked that side of our game since Gerrard and Carragher IMO.

[Fosterbloke]

for the last part of Football365's 16 Conclusions article

* A quick point to end with, but an important one. I’m aware that taking the lyrics of football chants serious is mostly a fool’s game (not every team can be by far the best you’ve ever seen), but those United supporters singing for Liverpool fans to “sign on” really would be better advised to keep their mouths shut.

Manchester is in the top 10 for unemployment, has seen homelessness increase sharply in recent years and a report last year showed that 25% of children in Salford were growing up in poverty. Across Liverpool, a similar picture.

The North West is an area that has suffered through the decline in industry over the last 100 years and rightly feels abandoned by a succession of governments who have exacerbated the North-South divide. You’re all on the same side here.

I know that the fans singing those songs are just trying to banter off a set of opposition supporters, but mocking unemployment and poverty is a stupid way of doing it. Manchester and Liverpool, as much as some supporters might like to ignore it, have far more than in common than that which divides them.

[baitman]

for the last part of Football365's 16 Conclusions article

Manchester and Liverpool, as much as some supporters might like to ignore it, have far more than in common than that which divides them.

they are all dickheads. support your own team.

[poorscousertommy]

Looking back I think the first two are pens. Salah 100% held back, but stayed on his feet and got **** all. So might as well as done a Spurs and gone down.

The handball was also a pen, he had plenty of time to move his arm out of the way, the ball had travelled a decent distance.

Agree with this. The Mane one wasn't.

[poorscousertommy]

for the last part of Football365's 16 Conclusions article

Tbf supporters don't ignore it. Half my family is Manchester and the people most of the people of Manchester are fantastic, just as in Liverpool. It's only football rivalry these days which turns both sets into idiots.

Edit - actually not just football but it's the main driver.