Harvey Elliott

[Shaggy]

Naby 100% starts imo. Think Norwich comes a bit too quickly for Hendo and Thiago.

Fab has played, what, half an hour in pre-season? Henderson hasn't even joined the squad til today. I'd be very surprised if either start. Milner, Keita + 1 imo. Probably Elliott.

[Irishnev]

Would make little sense to loan him at this stage imo. Wait until we get a few signings in the bag, give them time to settle, then assess the situation at Christmas.

100%

[Alex]

Fab has played, what, half an hour in pre-season? Henderson hasn't even joined the squad til today. I'd be very surprised if either start. Milner, Keita + 1 imo. Probably Elliott.

Hasnt Henderson been training for a few weeks? All sorts of videos I seem to remember of him running and stuff couple of weeks ago?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Fab has played, what, half an hour in pre-season? Henderson hasn't even joined the squad til today. I'd be very surprised if either start. Milner, Keita + 1 imo. Probably Elliott.

Think Fabinho will start vs Norwich. He needs game time to get up to speed and would prefer him to get those minutes in and some rust taken off against Norwich and Burnely than bringing him back against Chelsea.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Hasnt Henderson been training for a few weeks? All sorts of videos I seem to remember of him running and stuff couple of weeks ago?

He has been training with the players left in the UK whilst the team were out of the country. Not sure for how long exactly but he has been back in training.

[Shaggy]

Hasnt Henderson been training for a few weeks? All sorts of videos I seem to remember of him running and stuff couple of weeks ago?

On his own yeah, Klopp likes them working with the squad doesn't he. We'll see, but I'd be surprised.

Ideally I'd love Fabinho, Thiago and Keita to start.

[SB]

Would make little sense to loan him at this stage imo. Wait until we get a few signings in the bag, give them time to settle, then assess the situation at Christmas.

He’s here to stay

[Fosterbloke]

Has Jones featured in preseason?

[Exiled_red]

I wouldn't be so sure, I think he will get a chance to be part ofa rotated midfield if all goes to plan and then it's up to him.

He's already accomplished more before 1st team debut than Trent or Jones got theirs.

Jones was whipped out of the side when the others came back because we had been in terrible form and as nice as his play looked at times, it wasn't that effective.

Gini would be a nailed on starter and he's gone. Only Fabinho and Henderson when fit are pretty much nailed on now.

Elliots style brings something different to the midfield 3. Of course he could get a chance and not perform and then end up with very little game time in which case maybe a loan in the new year would make sense.

I wouldn't loan him out to another prem side unless they were somewhat similar in style of play and mid table at least. If he's kept at Liverpool, the club can control under which circumstances he gets experience and always playing our way. Going to a club in the second half of the table won't do him any good nor would a team that sets up to constantly hit on the counter.

To be fair I think Jones was taken out of the side last year because the side wasn't playing too well, rather than anything to do with his individual performances. IMO Klopp wanted more experienced players in the side to get through a difficult time and would probably have done the same with Elliott or anyone else. Playing youngsters in a struggling side doesn't really help anyone. We already had to play fairly inexperienced guys at the back in Phillips, Kabak and Williams, we really needed some old heads elsewhere to guide them through I think Jones was just the victim of that.

[Corndog]

I’m not so sure about that, his contribution stats were really impressive for someone so young - I think Klopp was just protecting him as much as he could.

https://www.rousingthekop.com/2021/08/07/new-xt-metric-suggests-curtis-jones-is-a-star-in-the-making/

https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool-...klopp-21223276

Good post, stand corrected then, the team wasn't that effective but I guess those stats hint that his individual performances couldn't have helped much more

[Corndog]

To be fair I think Jones was taken out of the side last year because the side wasn't playing too well, rather than anything to do with his individual performances. IMO Klopp wanted more experienced players in the side to get through a difficult time and would probably have done the same with Elliott or anyone else. Playing youngsters in a struggling side doesn't really help anyone. We already had to play fairly inexperienced guys at the back in Phillips, Kabak and Williams, we really needed some old heads elsewhere to guide them through I think Jones was just the victim of that.

Agree with all of that, the stats above seem to back it up too. Klopp definitely wanted as much experience in it as possible because of the CB situation.

[RedReet]

IIRC, did Klopp not say that Jones had picked up an injury last year that wasn't common knowledge and that was the real reason he disappeared from the first team when he did?

[Irishnev]

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[labourRed]

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/harvey-elliott-liverpool-burnley-premier-league-b1906846.html

If you want to read, open in an incognito tab. On phone so can't copy and paste.

It makes quite a few good points. Tl/dr being a midfielder in Klopp's team is massive. The fact Elliot took it in his stride at 18 whilst being targeted is quite something.

I never saw Elliott as midfielder, more a forward but I reckon Klopp knows a fair amount more about him than I.

[Fredo]

Already we can see glimpses of what he can do. His passing is superb and I think his current position suits him very well.

I wasn’t expecting him to be worthy of a starting place so soon, but he’s really impressed me this pre season. One of the key reasons we could let Shaq leave.