Harvey Elliott

[Kenneth]

Harv kind of reminds me of a young rooney, direct with great control.

Good call. Has a similarly low centre of balance too so quick to change direction.

[SB]

You were singing his praises a few months ago. What's changed?

I just think he’s an example of unfulfilled potential at this stage. I honestly think A loan move would help get the best out of him. We can’t give him enough game time ( unless of injuries ) based on form as there’s loads in front of him in the pecking order. It’s tough on him but he’s got to come in & play amazing to oust someone else or pick up the odd cup match which isn’t ideal for his development.

[baitman]

Harv kind of reminds me of a young rooney, direct with great control.

Jones has always been frustrating, too often runs then stops, holds the ball and passes from a stationary position and by the time he plays it the receiving player is already being challenged.

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[Norbs]

100% agreed. I think he has the potential to be a ballon dor contender, in a few years, given how good he is, at such a young age, and given our recent record of improving players, and particularly turning £30/40m attacking players into £150m attacking players.

If he does live up to his potential, that goal yesterday will have a special place on all the YouTube montage clips in 15 years (or whatever has replaced YouTube, haha) as the goal that showed us he’d bounce back from that injury and it hadn’t stopped the promising start he had to his LFC career…

Reason I mentioned about him being grounded is that things going to his head could be the biggest threat to him, injuries aside

He has the look of a naughty boy. I've seen nothing in his attitude to support this fear, it's just he looks naughty

[Mr Pink]

If he's got a good team around him keeping him grounded then his potential level is huge

100% agreed. I think he has the potential to be a ballon dor contender, in a few years, given how good he is, at such a young age, and given our recent record of improving players, and particularly turning £30/40m attacking players into £150m attacking players.

If he does live up to his potential, that goal yesterday will have a special place on all the YouTube montage clips in 15 years (or whatever has replaced YouTube, haha) as the goal that showed us he’d bounce back from that injury and it hadn’t stopped the promising start he had to his LFC career…

[Scratch]

I think a run of sustained appearances for Blackburn has really helped Elliott. Nothing beats playing every week, and that's something that Jones has never had the benefit of doing. Probably unfortunate for Jones that he appeared on the scene when our midfield was not quite so lush as it is now, meant going out on loan was never on the cards for him.

[Norbs]

I think the big thing with Elliot and maybe where he is pushing himself ahead of Jones is that Elliot seems to perfectly understand the system. He is tactically a very astute player. Jones is a brilliant footballer, but I'd say he maybe is less system focused. In our midfield you have to be amazing in and out of possession and 'possibly' Jones style of football is less suited in big games.

He does has something different than a lot of our other midfielders and in time I am sure he can develop into pretty much an all round midfielder with the discipline to play in our system. But Elliot is ahead of him so far.

Factoring in that Jones has been here a very long time and is older makes Elliott even more special. If he's got a good team around him keeping him grounded then his potential level is huge

[Shaggy]

Jones is still holding on to the ball too long at times. There was an instance yesterday in the first half when Tsimikas made a run down his outside and all Jones had to do was play him in, and he held onto it for 2-3 more seconds, then gave it to him, by which time Kostas had run offside. Frustrating.

[Buzzo]

I think the big thing with Elliot and maybe where he is pushing himself ahead of Jones is that Elliot seems to perfectly understand the system. He is tactically a very astute player. Jones is a brilliant footballer, but I'd say he maybe is less system focused. In our midfield you have to be amazing in and out of possession and 'possibly' Jones style of football is less suited in big games.

He does has something different than a lot of our other midfielders and in time I am sure he can develop into pretty much an all round midfielder with the discipline to play in our system. But Elliot is ahead of him so far.

[Lee]

Comparing anyone to Harvey Elliot is a bit unfair really. He's such an exceptional talent. Yes Curtis isn't quite as good, but he's still a big talent in his own right.

Harvey Elliot has the potential to be world class IMO. He's got it all.

Interesting to see what happens with Jones. He’s always had that attacking instinct although last season it looked like he was being moulded into a Gini-type player. He’s back to a more attacking role this year which suits him best and as long as he stays injury-free, then I think he’s more than capable of having a career with us.

Elliott’s different like you say. He just has *it*.

[spud_gun]

I think that we need to give both Jones and Elliott time. Jones has been around the side for a while but hasn't really had regular runs of games. Everyone is getting excited about Elliott, but remember he had only played about 3 games at the start of the season before getting injured, yes he looked really good in them. If you are a talented player it is relatively easy to make an impact when no one knows what to expect from you, when you play regularly and people are expecting you to play and have been watching what you do it gets more difficult. The transition from promising youngster to regular first teamer at a club like ours is a very difficult one, it requires time and there will be ups and downs on the way. Elliott hasn't experienced that side of things yet, Jones is probably going through it at the moment.

If Harvey continues to develop how we all expect he will i think we'll see strong similarities with how Klopp brought TAA on.

He'll be firmly established in the first team in a season or twos time.

[Exiled_red]

I think that we need to give both Jones and Elliott time. Jones has been around the side for a while but hasn't really had regular runs of games. Everyone is getting excited about Elliott, but remember he had only played about 3 games at the start of the season before getting injured, yes he looked really good in them. If you are a talented player it is relatively easy to make an impact when no one knows what to expect from you, when you play regularly and people are expecting you to play and have been watching what you do it gets more difficult. The transition from promising youngster to regular first teamer at a club like ours is a very difficult one, it requires time and there will be ups and downs on the way. Elliott hasn't experienced that side of things yet, Jones is probably going through it at the moment.

[RedReet]

He is so intelligent with the ball, he reminds me of a Xavi/Iniesta in that regard.

However, he's also got great dribbling skills, an eye for a killer pass and he has the potential to score a lot of goals himself.

I think the nearest comparison for me is Phil Foden. I think he's that level of potential.

He seems to be everything I hoped Suso would be.

I do wonder how different December might have been had he been available.

[wiw]

Where do people see his long term position in the team?

Eventual replacement for Henderson?

First choice midfield at the moment (if everyone fit) would be Fab, Thiago and Henderson

think so, yeah. Can see him floating around a bit more with Trent maybe filling that zone in the middle and crossing from deep like Henderson does. We have a ridiculous amount of flexibility to do different things down that side which is exciting