Liverpool vs Chelsea - UEFA Super Cup

[danperkins]

Klopp you legend

[Exiled_red]

I didn't realise that.

Not having a go at the lad, just wondered is all.

From wikipedia

Arphexad won six medals with Liverpool, all as an unused substitute. These included three in Liverpool's treble winning 2000–01 season, where they won the FA Cup, the Football League Cup and the UEFA Cup. Two subsequent medals followed the following season as Liverpool claimed both the Charity Shield and the European Super Cup. In the 2001–02 season, he was the starting goalkeeper in the opening match that ended in a 2-1 win against West Ham United. His second and last league appearance for Liverpool was on 9 February 2002 in a 6-0 win against Ipswich Town, replacing Jerzy Dudek during the second half.

Arphexad earned a second League Cup winners medal in the 2002–03 season and was released by Liverpool that summer,

2 games and 6 medals

[Norbs]

I know. We had 3 already banked by turning up.

Anyway Adrian confirmed he touched Abraham so that shows everyone what VAR is up against. Everyone on here basically had confirmed no contact despite it not being clear and obvious either way therefore rendering VAR redundant.

I pointed out that you can see Abraham's sock was rolled down to below his knee

[Tatterdemalion]

From wikipedia



2 games and 6 medals

Pegguy - what a ledge.

[Assassin]

I pointed out that you can see Abraham's cock was rolled down to below his knee

[baitman]

Some little entrepreneur, putting klopps head on rocky's body as we speak and banging the t shirts out by friday.
Adriannnnnnnnnn

[labourRed]

I pointed out that you can see Abraham's sock was rolled down to below his knee

Might not have read every post.

[Norbs]

Might not have read every post.

I wasnt going to mark you down

[Exiled_red]

I know. We had 3 already banked by turning up.

Anyway Adrian confirmed he touched Abraham so that shows everyone what VAR is up against. Everyone on here basically had confirmed no contact despite it not being clear and obvious either way therefore rendering VAR redundant.

For me the problem is that without VAR (when the official has to make a decision) just because there is contact doesn't mean it's a pen. The VAR criteria is just to review the decision based on whether or not there is contact. There can be cases where there is contact but it isn't a penalty (and I think that this is one of them).

I'd be interested to know if the referee hadn't awarded a pen, but had sent it to VAR would VAR have given that as a pen? I don't think that it would.

So despite all this we don't have an answer to whether that challenge should be a penalty or not, because it seems likely that VAR would just back the ref on whatever they decided. In fact it seems we have some paradox where under the VAR guidelines we can confidently say that the referee didn't clearly get the decision wrong, but we can't say that they got it right either.

[baitman]

For me the problem is that without VAR (when the official has to make a decision) just because there is contact doesn't mean it's a pen. The VAR criteria is just to review the decision based on whether or not there is contact. There can be cases where there is contact but it isn't a penalty (and I think that this is one of them).

I'd be interested to know if the referee hadn't awarded a pen, but had sent it to VAR would VAR have given that as a pen? I don't think that it would.

So despite all this we don't have an answer to whether that challenge should be a penalty or not, because it seems likely that VAR would just back the ref on whatever they decided. In fact it seems we have some paradox where under the VAR guidelines we can confidently say that the referee didn't clearly get the decision wrong, but we can't say that they got it right either.

is VAR never going to over rule a ref to put things right, so does fergies magic cheque book still hold some sway?

[Buzzo]

There should be common sense when VAR is used. So look at all the angles, judge whether there was sufficient contact for a pen. VAR should review that and decide no pen.

It’s no different than Rugby. Though in Rugby you get to listen to the conversation between the ref and the VAR ref. All this bollocks with a team of refs off site is nonsense.

Interestingly arguably Adrian’s feet were off the line for the final pen, but that rule is absolute bull**** so thankfully it was ignored.

[Fivex]

Irony is I reckon most clubs would be fine with a 3 var call per game from the captains rule and the fans would too.. Crooks was right the other day - football can’t be an exact science

[Buzzo]

Irony is I reckon most clubs would be fine with a 3 var call per game from the captains rule and the fans would too.. Crooks was right the other day - football can’t be an exact science

Could work just stop the match clock and review. The only issue is what happens when can a team introduce an appeal? Has to be after a stop in play.

[labourRed]

For me the problem is that without VAR (when the official has to make a decision) just because there is contact doesn't mean it's a pen. The VAR criteria is just to review the decision based on whether or not there is contact. There can be cases where there is contact but it isn't a penalty (and I think that this is one of them).

I'd be interested to know if the referee hadn't awarded a pen, but had sent it to VAR would VAR have given that as a pen? I don't think that it would.

So despite all this we don't have an answer to whether that challenge should be a penalty or not, because it seems likely that VAR would just back the ref on whatever they decided. In fact it seems we have some paradox where under the VAR guidelines we can confidently say that the referee didn't clearly get the decision wrong, but we can't say that they got it right either.

I have some sympathy as I don't think it was a penalty either.

But anyone saying **** VAR etc clearly doesn't understand the confines of clear and obvious. We had to have several reviews and wait until the end of the match before there was an admission of contact, the replays were inconclusive.

So the decision was a grey one IMO. But VAR had no right to over rule that decision.

VAR is only for clear and obvious reffing errors, not the final arbitrator for all major decisions, unfortunate as it is.

[Fivex]

I’ve not given it much thought but something’s got to give, concessions made with atmosphere and game tempo and teams are still getting stiffed