Liverpool vs Chelsea - UEFA Super Cup

[banditos]

Which there was. Not enough contact to legislate for a penalty.

Adrian took him out with his legs. Stonewall penalty.

[danperkins]

This whole 'contact on replays' being used to justify pens is a byproduct of the Sky Sports interpretation of football.
Nowhere in the rules of the sport will you see contact being used as justification for awarding a penalty.
An infringement by an opposing player is what's key.

Every week we see idiot pundits maintaining "oh, there's contact" or "you see he's running at pace". Arsebollocks.

Anyone who even remotely suggests that's a pen needs their head examined, and trying to justify if Adrian even laid a finger on his sock as reason enough to award said penalty needs beating about that head. In offhand terms, the term contact means appreciable intent by the player to stop an opponent, not whether or not the finger brushed a knee FFS.

There is no appreciable infringement by Adrian, there is no 'contact', the player does what they all do - tries to con a penalty out of the ref.
The ref ****ed up, albeit in an somewhat far from uncommon manner as we see hundred of decisions over the years awarded in a similar vein. The difference here, is there is now a safety net in play for such decisions and one of its sole functions is to prevent game changing decisions.

That failed tonight. 'Game changing decision' trumps 'clear and obvious error' (the new shield for officials to be hidden behind). If I was that ref tonight, I think I'd be fuming that this happened, and more than thankful that the result went the way it did.

absolutely spot on this.

Personally myself, i think Joe Cole said it last night too. Because of the ref and it being such a massive deal about a woman ref in the final, I don't think they wanted to over rule her and make the scene. I thought she was brilliant but made a massive error for the goal which could have cost us the cup. VAR was meant to stop this kind of **** happening.

[labourRed]

Which there was. Not enough contact to legislate for a penalty.

You're going to be frustrated with VAR this season if you think that was going to be overruled.

That said it wouldn't surprise me in three games from now there's an identical incident that is overruled given its a interpretation of the rules. But it'd be wrong to.

Thank **** the penalty didn't matter in the end.

[danperkins]

Adrian took him out with his legs. Stonewall penalty.

Every single one of the panel and commentary team even Jenas said it was not a penalty. That pic is so selective and honestly something I would expect to see on a Chelsea forum with them trying to justify the pen been given kinda thing. BT showed the correct angle last night and it was categorically not a penalty.

[Fosterbloke]

I thought it's not a penalty if the ball is not under control and is going out of play?

[rudedog]

I thought it's not a penalty if the ball is not under control and is going out of play?

And going away from goal

[Exiled_red]

The replays were conclusive.

It’s bull**** they dont have access to all the angles? Where else are they getting their video feeds from? And if they struggle with that then how are they going to call dives where the forward draws contact more effectively?

At best that was a tech malfunction this evening. If they look at all of this e clips VAR rules that as no pen every day of the week.

Common sense has to be used with VAR.

Offsides are totally different decisions so different criteria applies .

I get that, my point is why worry about whether someone is literally a cm offside or not, if we can refer a penalty like that to VAR and it stands because you can't prove that there wasn't the faintest contact, but what everyone can tell is that even if there was contact is wasn't enough of a pen. When both decisions have been referred to see if they are clearly and obviously wrong, to me it just seems that there is an imbalance in what is trying tobe achieved.

[Assassin]

Adrian took him out with his legs. Stonewall penalty.

Utter bollocks. He was already going down before Adrian got to him. The perspective of the bilder is crap, there was at least 0.5 metres between them at this point. Tammy, lovely male name then went completley splayed and stiff legged to make it look worse and topped it all off with a forward somassault (sp) He is a cheating diving cunt

Another thing, he absolutley bottled his pelanty. He scared, nervous and couldnt focus prior to taking it

[Exiled_red]

I thought it's not a penalty if the ball is not under control and is going out of play?

I know that this used to be the case I wouldn't be surprised if they had changed the rule on this though to be honest.

What criteria are VAR looking at because that is unclear. On the clear and obvious stuff they could be looking at all of the points but essentially deciding that they are all too close to call and letting the original decision stand.

[Buzzo]

You're going to be frustrated with VAR this season if you think that was going to be overruled.

That said it wouldn't surprise me in three games from now there's an identical incident that is overruled given its a interpretation of the rules. But it'd be wrong to.

Thank **** the penalty didn't matter in the end.

I think it’s definitely clear that VAR is going to be frustrating given the hash that is being made of it so far.

But yes, thankfully justice was served!

[Exiled_red]

I think that the thing we need to get used to with VAR is that decisions like this are still going to be in a no man's land between that is essentially not enough evidence to be overturned. We saw last night that the ref awarded it and VAR couldn't overturn it. Equally I think that if the ref hadn't given it but it was referred to VAR that there wouldn't be enough evidence to award it. Which is frustrating because the decision isn't always going to be right despite VAR

[Norbs]

What was suspect was that the ref gave the penalty so quickly. She could've stopped play and consulted the assistant ref as there was a break in play.

[labourRed]

I think that the thing we need to get used to with VAR is that decisions like this are still going to be in a no man's land between that is essentially not enough evidence to be overturned. We saw last night that the ref awarded it and VAR couldn't overturn it. Equally I think that if the ref hadn't given it but it was referred to VAR that there wouldn't be enough evidence to award it. Which is frustrating because the decision isn't always going to be right despite VAR

Exactly. I don't think it was a penalty but if there's any shade of grey around it VAR won't intervene, at least under the current rules.

[BobTheCharmer]

VAR on decisions re pens will always be inconsistent. Different ref and video ref every game. Things are rarely ever clear cut.

Offside will always be right. It's black and white.

This is why VAR is the biggest cunts trick ever introduced to football.

You have long pauses, crowds celebrating no goals, players half celebrating waiting to check if it's good. I did last night, didn't celebrate until it was 100% ruled no foul play. Wolves manager nailed it, it's killing the spirit of the game in the hope of achieving perfection. Can't or won't ever happen.

[greenturnip]

It reminded me of ‘umpire’s call’ in cricket. She gave a pen and there wasn’t enough evidence to overrule her. If she hadn’t given it and it had been reviewed, there still wouldn’t have been enough to overrule her. We need more camera angles...but the ref’s call is still really important. She shouldn’t have given it. But if Mi had gone down in the same circumstance we’d say it was the keeper’s fault.