Coronavirus and Football (Plus all Sport in General)

[labourRed]

I'm generally coping pretty well with all this CV as the impact to me hasn't been great... but i'd ****ing love it if football was back in some capacity from a purely selfish level.

About eight free hits would do lovely to pass the time as well as the likes of the schadenfreude at United.

Selfishness aside, those in promotion / relegation positions deserve to see the season played out.

[Fivex]

I can see someone like Everton saying they can't fulfil a fixture because Moyseh is in isolation or something. If they do decide to do this then clubs unable to compete must be prepared to forfeit the fixtures.

Yup, we should steamroll the first couple of games then forfeit the rest, put our legs up, take no additional risk.

[Exiled_red]

All that’s needed to satisfy UEFA is final league placings, determining qualifiers for CL and Europe. This effectively removes null and voiding.

But it leaves European leagues to determine what then happens about relegation/promotion and titles. As a a result, there will be cases of ‘half and half’ conclusions. Some may declare champions, some won’t. Some may carry out relegation/promotion, some won’t. Some may do a mixture of the 2.

I see what you’re saying. But I think everyone involved agrees the PL title is a forgone conclusion so there’ll be no appetite to argue that, since it has no bearing on the matter of the remaining UEFA places or promotion/relegation.

A full null and void won't happen, because the season will at least be used to determine UEFA qualification, but if that is all that it's used for and there is no title awarded or no promotion or relegation, it is almost the same.

As discussed taking a decision on PL title in isolation would/should be easy, but as I say I don't see it happening. It is unclear who gets a say in such issues, there has been talk of it being up to the clubs, but the FA will have a say and put pressure on in some form whether officially they have a say or not. I suspect if it comes to a vote it will be on packages of deals rather than individual questions (such as 'Should Liverpool be awarded the title') this is how I suspect the FA will put pressure on clubs to get the outcomes that they want. For me if we don't get the title it won't be because clubs have voted against it (directly at least) but because it is posed as part of a package of conditions to which other clubs reject.

[Mark79]

A full null and void won't happen, because the season will at least be used to determine UEFA qualification, but if that is all that it's used for and there is no title awarded or no promotion or relegation, it is almost the same.

As discussed taking a decision on PL title in isolation would/should be easy, but as I say I don't see it happening. It is unclear who gets a say in such issues, there has been talk of it being up to the clubs, but the FA will have a say and put pressure on in some form whether officially they have a say or not. I suspect if it comes to a vote it will be on packages of deals rather than individual questions (such as 'Should Liverpool be awarded the title') this is how I suspect the FA will put pressure on clubs to get the outcomes that they want. For me if we don't get the title it won't be because clubs have voted against it (directly at least) but because it is posed as part of a package of conditions to which other clubs reject.

I really don’t see clubs being offered a selection of ‘packages’ of outcomes to choose from.

I think each aspect would be decided individually, not conditionally dependant on what happens with the others.

I doubt the issue of the title would even go to a club vote, unless enough of them make it known that they’re opposed to it being declared. Which again, I just don’t see, given the circumstances.

Anyway, let’s just hope that it can somehow all be decided by finishing the season and that this whole conversation is irrelevant

[rodo]

Clubs in Holland are already hiring lawyers over the decision to scrap the league

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I really don’t see clubs being offered a selection of ‘packages’ of outcomes to choose from.

I think each aspect would be decided individually, not conditionally dependant on what happens with the others.

I doubt the issue of the title would even go to a club vote, unless enough of them make it known that they’re opposed to it being declared. Which again, I just don’t see, given the circumstances.

Anyway, let’s just hope that it can somehow all be decided by finishing the season and that this whole conversation is irrelevant

I am not sure exactly how the Dutch arrived at their decision, but from the (limited amount of) stuff that I have read there are suggestions that it was imposed on the clubs by the FA with no consultation and clubs are threatening to sue there is a suggestion that if more than half of clubs vote against the decision it could be overturned. If the FA/PL impose a decision without consulting the clubs then they could be facing similar problems.

To be clear by a 'package' I am meaning some overall resolution for concluding the league which would be acceptable to the PL/FA examples might be:
- Using current standings to determine UEFA qualification only (no title, no relegation, no promotion)
-Using current standings to determine all outstanding issues (title, relegation etc)
- Using points per game to determine outstanding issues (title, relegation etc)
I am speculating on the details, but you get the idea...

I think this kind of resolution is more likely than a straight vote on whether we get the title, whether the bottom 3 are relegated etc.

Obviously finishing the season is the most desirable for most sides and IMO for the integrity of the league, some sides will oppose that (those who fear they may be relegated etc) and others might have their own other reasons or agenda to push.

[Mark79]

I am not sure exactly how the Dutch arrived at their decision, but from the (limited amount of) stuff that I have read there are suggestions that it was imposed on the clubs by the FA with no consultation and clubs are threatening to sue there is a suggestion that if more than half of clubs vote against the decision it could be overturned. If the FA/PL impose a decision without consulting the clubs then they could be facing similar problems.

To be clear by a 'package' I am meaning some overall resolution for concluding the league which would be acceptable to the PL/FA examples might be:
- Using current standings to determine UEFA qualification only (no title, no relegation, no promotion)
-Using current standings to determine all outstanding issues (title, relegation etc)
- Using points per game to determine outstanding issues (title, relegation etc)
I am speculating on the details, but you get the idea...

I think this kind of resolution is more likely than a straight vote on whether we get the title, whether the bottom 3 are relegated etc.

Obviously finishing the season is the most desirable for most sides and IMO for the integrity of the league, some sides will oppose that (those who fear they may be relegated etc) and others might have their own other reasons or agenda to push.

In terms of European places, KNVB followed Uefa's wishes and used the current positions as final. They didn't use PPG as it wouldn't have made any difference.

For relegation/promotion, it went to a vote by the clubs. But there was no majority, so KNVB made the final decision.

KNVB also made the decision on not having champions.
(As in England a no brainer given the circumstances, though for the opposite reason.)

The full details are in the thread below.

I'm going to leave it here mate, we've both had our say.
Let's see how it develops.

[ame]https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1253702810157408256[/ame]

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Thanks

[ChesterDave]

Finally some good Coronavirus news - The Hundred likely postponed until 2021

[spud_gun]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/28/when-will-sports-return-coronavirus-covid-19-medical-experts

No spectators in stadiums until 2021 according to above interview panel

[Buzzo]

Until ‘well into’ 2021...!!!

Mad. How will most clubs and teams across all sports survive?

[Norbs]

They'll have to find a way, and surely players deferring some of their income in order to keep clubs going is the only way

[Fredo]

And transfers probably postponed for a while (in and out).

[McDermotX]

Add in the danger of a player being tested positive if football is rushed back later in the summer behind closed doors and/or in a 'football festival' the likes of which has been mooted, and that'll be the proper end of things for a while.
Proper danger of leagues being 'resolved' to put it bluntly if that were to happen - we're not just talking about getting it restarted to get our couple of games in, there's a long way to go in the English leagues.

[Liverpool]

Could they not have the stadiums partially open, say a quarter of the usual attendance? You can sit by people in your household, lower risk groups/households.

Have to wear a mask to and from the ground.

When this first started it was they were thinking about no over 70's. Got to be a happy medium somewhere.