Everton vs Liverpool - Premier League (20/21 - Game 5)

[Irishnev]

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[Buzzo]

On a scale of 1-10 how much fury is reading this likely to elicit?

I was properly heart thumping in chest raging on Saturday

https://twitter.com/dalejohnsonespn/...43868462911490

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At the end of the day, VAR is a great tool that is being very badly implemented;the stupid ****ers at PGMOL need to understand CLEAR & OBVIOUS, that is all & that they are not RE-REFFING the game plain & simple.

& why have the Ref's stopped using pitch side monitors, it worked fantastically for the first couple of weeks of the season, but they have stopped using the again that is definitely a dictate from above. One thing you can say about Oliver is that had he gone over to the monitor, 1: Pickford would have been sent off & 2: the goal would have stood. That said if point 1 had happened point 2 would never have occurred.

Still so angry about this game & the incompetance of the VAR official.

[Exiled_red]

https://twitter.com/dalejohnsonespn/...43868462911490

The interesting bit are these three tweets:

The VAR is presented by the Hawk-Eye RO with three consecutive frames to represent the first touch of the ball.

The VAR will choose one, and it will usually be obvious. But that frame may be "late", with the "correct" frame between frames.

Or it might actually be correct.

It's why, on some occasions, people question if the frame is correct. Has the ball already left the foot?

Put simply, if the previous frame is before the pass has begun it's not valid. The VAR has to choose the first frame when the pass has definitely begun.

So frame rate can be an issue, though I'd suggest it's not quite as unreliable as some claim.

Reports that there is a 12cm margin of error are only correct when you have a very fast player, running, AND the precise frame is not there.

There is NO consistent margin of error.

The VAR can't choose a frame before the ball has been played, it has to choose the frame where the ball is played (but in most cases this doesn't exist) or the frame after the ball has been played. That means in all likelihood the majority of VAR offsides the players positions are evaluated after the ball is played. In most cases the attacker is running in behind (and often the defender is stepping up) if the frame dictates that the measurement is made after the ball is played then it makes it more likely that the player will be given offside, so there is no benefit of the doubt given to the attacker. An attacker who has timed his run perfectly is given offside because the the correct frame doesn't exist.

The system means that perfectly good goals can be ruled out because the player passing the ball didn't do it in sync with of timing of the frames.

If you are supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker why not look at the frame before and the frame after the ball is played, if the player is in an offside position in both clearly they were offside, if they were on before the ball was played and off after then follow the benefit of the doubt is given to the attacking player.

[Buzzo]

As soon as that 'frame rate', when was the pass made etc nonsense comes into play it has to go down as level. Level is (was) onside.

[Cerbie]

If you are supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker why not look at the frame before and the frame after the ball is played, if the player is in an offside position in both clearly they were offside, if they were on before the ball was played and off after then follow the benefit of the doubt is given to the attacking player.

That's a pretty good idea that would allow them to work with the existing systems. Probably means they will reject it outright too

[vlahka]

**** off with your Utd friends bloody Christ you absolute man child

Please go do one.

[Buzzo]

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