Palace vs Liverpool chat

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[Norbs]

We have a few more games before that.

1.3.22 - Wolves (H)
5.3.22 - Manchester United (H)
11.3.22 - Bournemouth (A)
15.3.22 - Real Madrid (A)

When I look at those games, I don't know what to expect. We should really be beating Bournemouth, but as for the rest of them, it depends on our intensity.

After being disemboweled by Real Madrid, I expected a decent reaction, but it was just drab and dour, and I think that's what's getting a lot of fans down. A point away at Selhurst Park isn't a bad thing. It's more the performance.

****ing hell, welcome back

[Phoenix07]

****ing hell, welcome back

A couple of years away, I know!

[Doc_Piptorious]

I knew I should have checked the locks to the basement.....

[vlahka]

Would love to know what Carvalho has done to be bombed out of the team

Probably played well.

[SB]

A couple of years away, I know!

So the grass isn’t always greener on the other side

[Paul12]

I’d love to see him given a go at RM with a solid defender behind him.

I suspect his days as a defender are largely over, but I don't see the change happening DURING the season. One issue is that there is no reason to think he'll be any good at the defensive duties - tracking runners etc - so I do worry whether there is a place for him in a midfield comprising just 3 players. But would Klopp go to 4 in midfield when he has so many attackers?

I have forgotten already how good Gerrard was defensively, so I don't know whether he is the model for a Trent in midfield.

[little dave hedgehog]

I suspect his days as a defender are largely over, but I don't see the change happening DURING the season. One issue is that there is no reason to think he'll be any good at the defensive duties - tracking runners etc - so I do worry whether there is a place for him in a midfield comprising just 3 players. But would Klopp go to 4 in midfield when he has so many attackers?

I have forgotten already how good Gerrard was defensively, so I don't know whether he is the model for a Trent in midfield.

would be odd to see klopp use a 3-5-2 or similar, but would love to see him as a wingback who wasn't expected to defend as much.

[Harv]

Probably played well.

Has anyone played well this season?

Has Salah?

The kid did pretty well in his first few games and is a nice little option off the bench when we're looking for goals. Certainly offers a bigger threat than the majority of the turgid dross we bring off the bench at the end of games. Ox, Milner, Jones et al.

I hope they're working behind the scenes on getting him up to speed on our tactics and fitting him into midfield and building a fitness base. Because if it's not that, then you're absolutely destroying this kids confidence. Does he even play for the u21's?

Should've been sent out on loan for the rest of the season if he's never going to play.

[vlahka]

Oh yes, sorry my joke was a poor one. I mean he played well so was left out. Little jab at our first team players being consistently garbage yet still playing all the time.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I suspect his days as a defender are largely over, but I don't see the change happening DURING the season. One issue is that there is no reason to think he'll be any good at the defensive duties - tracking runners etc - so I do worry whether there is a place for him in a midfield comprising just 3 players. But would Klopp go to 4 in midfield when he has so many attackers?

I have forgotten already how good Gerrard was defensively, so I don't know whether he is the model for a Trent in midfield.

If you think cannot track runners on the right flank then what chance has he oif tracking an even greater volume of runners as a RCM or CM?

The RCM in our set up is meant to be helping track the runners for the RB, so
if TAA is not doing so as the actual RB what are the chances of him tracking runs as a RCM and helping out whoever the RB then is?

If youy want to remove some (not all) of his tracking work load then using him as a wing back or a Rightside wide midfielder would be the most logical choices imo, but that would require us going to a flat four in the centre if we want to use him as a RM or going with five at the back if we want to accomadate him as a wing back.

Would also mean whoever we see as our best left winger option (probably Diaz) then having to play as a LM and not a LW or if we went to a back five we would have to sacrifice a player either in attack or in midfield to make up for the extra CB the back five would require.


I do personally think a back five would have made sense at times this season (when we had all four CBs fit as options that is) as it might have given us more protection at the times we were leaking goals through the centre, but from this summer after we get fresh blood in and look a stronger unit I would be sticking with four defenders and not five.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Has anyone played well this season?

Has Salah?

The kid didn't pretty well in his first few games and is a nice little option off the bench when we're looking for goals. Certainly offers a bigger threat than the majority of the turgid dross we bring off the bench at the end of games. Ox, Milner, Jones et al.

I hope they're working behind the scenes on getting him up to speed on our tactics and fitting him into midfield and building a fitness base. Because if it's not that, then you're absolutely destroying this kids confidence. Does he even play for the u21's?

Should've been sent out on loan for the rest of the season if he's never going to play.

In order of how good they have been imo this season, starting with the best.


Alisson has been good this season. Sure he had a few blips but he kept us in far more games than those he had blips in. And even the games in which he made an error, he then went on to make good saves after the error.


Bajcetic has been good this season.

Konate was playing well before he was injured.

Darwin has been good this season notwithstanding that red card that broke up his start to the season.

Thiago when fit has been good far more often than poor.

Salah has been good by normal standards this season. Any other wide man in the league with his goal and assist return in all comps would be gertting loads of praise. Is just that the bar is set really high for Salah so a good season for any other player looks like a poor one for him.


Robertson might sneak into a good list too, but only just about. He has been solid more often than not and generally looked better than his counterpart on the other side.

Tsimikas has look good more often than not at LB also.



After that it starts to become difficult to put a positive spin on too many other players for the season to date. Some have been poor a lot and some, like Gakpo, Jotas, Carvalho etc just have not played enough to say much about them.

[SB]

In order of how good they have been imo this season, starting with the best.


Alisson has been good this season. Sure he had a few blips but he kept us in far more games than those he had blips in. And even the games in which he made an error, he then went on to make good saves after the error.


Bajcetic has been good this season.

Konate was playing well before he was injured.

Darwin has been good this season notwithstanding that red card that broke up his start to the season.

Thiago when fit has been good far more often than poor.

Salah has been good by normal standards this season. Any other wide man in the league with his goal and assist return in all comps would be gertting loads of praise. Is just that the bar is set really high for Salah so a good season for any other player looks like a poor one for him.


Robertson might sneak into a good list too, but only just about. He has been solid more often than not and generally looked better than his counterpart on the other side.

Tsimikas has look good more often than not at LB also.



After that it starts to become difficult to put a positive spin on too many other players for the season to date. Some have been poor a lot and some, like Gakpo, Jotas, Carvalho etc just have not played enough to say much about them.

[labourRed]

And the same players delivered some of the best times you’ve had as a supporter in recent years.

I go and watch Hearts a few times, been about four times this season and the supporters are typically miserable as ****. But they’ve earned the right to moan and be miserable. Zero chance of winning the league every year and the slim hope of a good cup run if you can avoid the old firm. That’s it. That’s as good as it gets. Yet these guys love football just as much as anyone in here, the same as supporters of countless teams in the same position.

Liverpool supporters who chock the towel in after 6 bad months or whatever (and we are 7th not 17th) just underline what I was saying above! One season where too 4 looks a stretch and we won’t get to the CL final and it’s all doom and gloom.

Football is escape, it’s sport, it’s a game. Who gives a **** how much they earn.

I agree with the latter part, not sure i agree with doom and gloom part. Its pretty clear objectively this team is massively under performing. By rights it should be walking to fourth and it isn't. The annoying thing it was abundantly clear we were sleepwalking towards this drop off due to issues with investment.

[RichC]

I agree with the latter part, not sure i agree with doom and gloom part. Its pretty clear objectively this team is massively under performing. By rights it should be walking to fourth and it isn't. The annoying thing it was abundantly clear we were sleepwalking towards this drop off due to issues with investment.

Maybe that was part of the issue with the players early on; over confidence that they'd turn up and pick up 3 points, that not happening has seen our confidence blown to pieces whilst other clubs now don't see us as a team to fear.