Ryan Gravenberch

[SB]

I think yesterday showed somewhat what Slot sees in him and what he brings over say Endo. Gravenberch isn't an out and out destroyer like Endo is he has more to his game such as the ability to carry the ball forward which is quite significant for our attacking play as well as the defensive work he does. We undoubtedly need to give him more rest going forward but that involves changing the style of play or at least limiting ourselves in how we play...

Or we replace Endo with a player with a similar skill set to Ryan

[red g]

The find of the season. He lifted his game more than any other player this season & we’ve got Arne to thank for that.

like a new signing.

[Exiled_red]

I think yesterday showed somewhat what Slot sees in him and what he brings over say Endo. Gravenberch isn't an out and out destroyer like Endo is he has more to his game such as the ability to carry the ball forward which is quite significant for our attacking play as well as the defensive work he does. We undoubtedly need to give him more rest going forward but that involves changing the style of play or at least limiting ourselves in how we play...

[SB]

It's incredible really. After all the (justifiable) wailing and gnashing of teeth about not buying a 6, this was an absolute masterstroke. Even if we hadn't won the league but had had a good season, Slot would have had a decent amount of credit in the bank for this move alone. He seriously needs a rest though. Even though he was very good yesterday.

I agree completely. He’s been showing signs of weariness for a while now but turned up big time yesterday. Endo or Curtis in the No6 but I do wonder if he’ll wait to make changes till after the Chelsea match.

[badpiggy]

It's incredible really. After all the (justifiable) wailing and gnashing of teeth about not buying a 6, this was an absolute masterstroke. Even if we hadn't won the league but had had a good season, Slot would have had a decent amount of credit in the bank for this move alone. He seriously needs a rest though. Even though he was very good yesterday.

[SB]

never doubted him

The find of the season. He lifted his game more than any other player this season & we’ve got Arne to thank for that.

[Harv]

Superb again last night. The tenacity to win back the ball for the assist for Macca’s goal sums up his spirit.

never doubted him

[SB]

Superb again last night. The tenacity to win back the ball for the assist for Macca’s goal sums up his spirit.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Bob still thinks he's ****e and he wants to sell him though.

Bob was on the gin that day



TBF to Bob, he did say he would keep him unless a huge offer was made for him.

[Slinky Skills]

Is so obvious but never twigged it before, but Gravenberch at 22 (23 next month) will have five league winner medals to his name pretty soon.





And even though he would not have been a nailed on starter for all of them, that is a lot of experience of being in title winning/title chasing squads in three different countries/leagues at such a young age.



Can only stand to him as he gets a little older. Can see him being one of those players that is a senior player with a calm head by the time he hits 24 or 25. One of the been there done that guys that the younger guys take example from.

Bob still thinks he's ****e and he wants to sell him though.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Is so obvious but never twigged it before, but Gravenberch at 22 (23 next month) will have five league winner medals to his name pretty soon.


And even though he would not have been a nailed on starter for all of them, that is a lot of experience of being in title winning/title chasing squads in three different countries/leagues at such a young age.

Can only stand to him as he gets a little older. Can see him being one of those players that is a senior player with a calm head by the time he hits 24 or 25. One of the been there done that guys that the younger guys take example from.

[danperkins]

He's had a massive drop off in form since the turn of the year but he also has never played as much high intensity football like this in his career. I don't think Slot has done him any favours though. We had a ready made replacement in Endo to step in but for whatever reason, Slot has chose to run Grav into the ground. Maybe a lack of trust in Endo (who has always done a job imo even if he is limited) or just a blind spot in Slot... maybe a bit of both.

[Corndog]

I'm not sure Grav starts next season. I think he's been excellent for the first half of the season. But he doesn't offer enough cover for me. I think opponents are working him out a bit and he's knackered. I think we need a better defensive midfielder than him and I think he doesn't offer much going forwards. I'd keep him unless a huge bid came in. Same for dom. Nice energy. Very little end product. Keep unless we can improve.

And who would you suggest to replace them?

50 pct of transfers fail and there is no correlation between transfer fee and whether a signing succeeds.

There is huge risk in the transfer market so unless you are really convinced of someone better, better to keep the players who have been crucial parts of what will be a league title winning team.

Take the risk on replacing players who are more obviously on the way out.


Gravenberch and szobo are top midfielders. LFC shouldn’t sell either of them this year unless they attract fees over 100 mil which they won’t.

[DerKrampus]

I'm not sure Grav starts next season. I think he's been excellent for the first half of the season. But he doesn't offer enough cover for me. I think opponents are working him out a bit and he's knackered. I think we need a better defensive midfielder than him and I think he doesn't offer much going forwards. I'd keep him unless a huge bid came in. Same for dom. Nice energy. Very little end product. Keep unless we can improve.

All players are eventually worked out - he's certainly knackered but doesn't mean he'll be **** next year.

[peterbread]

Just dug into his interception stats for this seasons after you said it was for the entire league.

He has already made more successful interceptions this season (53) in the league than Rodri made in any of his full seasons with City (36 being Rodri's best season with City and 46 for Atletico).


Chose to check his numbers against Rodri as I regard Rodri as one of the best in the game at reading play and breaking it up without needing a tackle or block.


That is not saying he is on Rodri's level at everything else, but very promising numbers for a young player still learning the game.