Ryan Gravenberch

[Exiled_red]

Comes with the territory

[Norbs]

Sounds like a dick

Comes with the territory

[baitman]

If Robinson was a few years younger he'd be a great buy for us, even at 28 in a few months, imo he's still a great buy for someone.

[Doc_Piptorious]

For the entire league. I think Antonee Robinson is equal with Gravenberch. I’m pretty sure Robinson was top of that last season too.

I’ve seen those stats a bit during the season and he wasn’t up there earlier on, he’s moved up more recently I believe. Learning the role and developing the awareness and understanding of where he needs to be. Good signs for next season.

Just dug into his interception stats for this seasons after you said it was for the entire league.

He has already made more successful interceptions this season (53) in the league than Rodri made in any of his full seasons with City (36 being Rodri's best season with City and 46 for Atletico).


Chose to check his numbers against Rodri as I regard Rodri as one of the best in the game at reading play and breaking it up without needing a tackle or block.


That is not saying he is on Rodri's level at everything else, but very promising numbers for a young player still learning the game.

[danperkins]

If Robinson was a few years younger he'd be a great buy for us, even at 28 in a few months, imo he's still a great buy for someone.

[peterbread]

Equal most for us or for the entire league?

For the entire league. I think Antonee Robinson is equal with Gravenberch. I’m pretty sure Robinson was top of that last season too.

I’ve seen those stats a bit during the season and he wasn’t up there earlier on, he’s moved up more recently I believe. Learning the role and developing the awareness and understanding of where he needs to be. Good signs for next season.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Equal most interceptions in the league this season on 53.
He has 166 ball recoveries which is 5th.

He does a lot of work you don’t notice as it’s not flashy but he gets himself in the right position and will only get better with the experience he’s had this season.

Equal most for us or for the entire league?

[danperkins]

Think you are being a little harsh on Grav in particular as he does a lot of the less flashy stuff that knits play together.

Only have watching him to go by but I reckon he is the player that cuts out passes from the other team the most in our first team squad.

He is insanely good at it for such a young player and as a result he rarely needs to make a last ditch block or tackle.


He is also great at receiving the ball under pressure, hanging out to it, then creating a bit of space for himself so he can find a teammate under less pressure.

He might have dropped off a bit in recent weeks, no doubt due to playing more minutes this season than he ever has in his career to date, but the last game he looked like he was on the up again. With only a game per week from here on in, I expect his levels to go up again.

Szobo I get what you are saying about him. He is a very talented player who appears to be much more effective in attacking terms for his country and he appeared so in Germany too.

But the flipside of that is his role seems to have become similar to that of Wijnaldum in that he is tasked to use his engine to enable him to be a shield for the right side of the team rather than bursting forward a lot. He still has 5 goals and 7 assists to his name in the league alone so is the best of our central midfielders in terms of G/A return in the league this season.

Now a bit of a caveat to his G/A numbers would be that four of them (1 G and 3 A) came in the game against Spurs)

Overplayed and burnt out, phenomenal first half of the season, form dropped off a cliff in the last 6 weeks or so and that's on Slot for burning him out. Massive potential, not going anywhere imo.

[peterbread]

Equal most interceptions in the league this season on 53.
He has 166 ball recoveries which is 5th.

He does a lot of work you don’t notice as it’s not flashy but he gets himself in the right position and will only get better with the experience he’s had this season.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I'm not sure Grav starts next season. I think he's been excellent for the first half of the season. But he doesn't offer enough cover for me. I think opponents are working him out a bit and he's knackered. I think we need a better defensive midfielder than him and I think he doesn't offer much going forwards. I'd keep him unless a huge bid came in. Same for dom. Nice energy. Very little end product. Keep unless we can improve.

Think you are being a little harsh on Grav in particular as he does a lot of the less flashy stuff that knits play together.

Only have watching him to go by but I reckon he is the player that cuts out passes from the other team the most in our first team squad.

He is insanely good at it for such a young player and as a result he rarely needs to make a last ditch block or tackle.


He is also great at receiving the ball under pressure, hanging out to it, then creating a bit of space for himself so he can find a teammate under less pressure.

He might have dropped off a bit in recent weeks, no doubt due to playing more minutes this season than he ever has in his career to date, but the last game he looked like he was on the up again. With only a game per week from here on in, I expect his levels to go up again.

Szobo I get what you are saying about him. He is a very talented player who appears to be much more effective in attacking terms for his country and he appeared so in Germany too.

But the flipside of that is his role seems to have become similar to that of Wijnaldum in that he is tasked to use his engine to enable him to be a shield for the right side of the team rather than bursting forward a lot. He still has 5 goals and 7 assists to his name in the league alone so is the best of our central midfielders in terms of G/A return in the league this season.

Now a bit of a caveat to his G/A numbers would be that four of them (1 G and 3 A) came in the game against Spurs)

[BobTheCharmer]

I'm not sure Grav starts next season. I think he's been excellent for the first half of the season. But he doesn't offer enough cover for me. I think opponents are working him out a bit and he's knackered. I think we need a better defensive midfielder than him and I think he doesn't offer much going forwards. I'd keep him unless a huge bid came in. Same for dom. Nice energy. Very little end product. Keep unless we can improve.

[Buzzo]

Sounds like a dick

Yeah it was / is a pretty bad look.

[Exiled_red]

His agent has come out and mentioned he was speaking more about his own desires! As mentioned above seems more like a move to generate an improved deal.

Sounds like a dick

[Buzzo]

His agent has come out and mentioned he was speaking more about his own desires! As mentioned above seems more like a move to generate an improved deal.

[Exiled_red]

Gravenberch cost €40. A replacement like for like would cost far more.

And when we signed him he was someone who was a promising youngster at Ajax whose career had somewhat stalled at Bayern, for me just looking at it from a financial point of view a 50% increase in value doesn't really represent the progress that has been made.

Also I posted this earlier but I am not sure why such a move would suit Gravenberch either having just established himself.